2025 All Blacks v France series

[Kiwiwomble]

cue someone pointing out "stats dont tell the whole story"

[No Quarter]

@brodean very telling and is basically what Razor said re: his omission - not enough impact in contact, which has always been a problem for him. I'm very surprised anyone is still wanting to see him in black based on SR form, he's a reasonable stop-gap measure but we aren't going to mix it with the big boys with him there.

[African Monkey]

@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:

Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan Blackadder

Gainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan Blackadder

Dominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan Blackadder

When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........

[Callcentre Spunk]

@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa

Gainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa

Dominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa!

[brodean]

@Callcentre-Spunk

He's the anti Blackadder - high impact but also has the lowest workrate in NZ.

Kirifi and Papali'i each average 18 more contact involvements per 80 minutes compared to Lasaqa.

Combine Lasaqa and Blackadder into one player and you get Ardie Savea.

[Bones]

@reprobate I understand where you're coming from, but @brodean thankfully covered what I was getting at.

With your logic shouldn't we be giving Springer and Fihaki credit because they dominated their opposites?

[handa457]

Damn Veveni Lasaqa really should be in on the All Blacks Radar based on those stats. Bit of a shame we have so many talented sevens because he needs to be seriously considerd based on those stats.

[antipodean]

@African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........

Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.

[antipodean]

@Callcentre-Spunk said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa

Gainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa

Dominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa!

My impression is he doesn't do enough in the defensive side of the game.

[African Monkey]

@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........

Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.

He's probably tried but might not be able to, especially at 30.

[brodean]

@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

My impression is he doesn't do enough in the defensive side of the game.

Lasaqa doesn't hit enough rucks for a 7 and is ineffective:

Rucks Per 80 Minutes
35.34 Dalton Papali'i
32.44 Tom Christie
31.48 Du'Plessis Kirifi
29.13 Jahrome Brown
28.53 Ardie Savea
26.84 Luke Jacobson
26.31 Kaylum Boshier
20.92 Veveni Lasaqa

Attacking Ruck Effectiveness
89.9 Dalton Papali'i
89.6 Tom Christie
87.6 Jahrome Brown
86.3 Ardie Savea
85.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
84.9 Luke Jacobson
76.5 Veveni Lasaqa
76.1 Kaylum Boshier

Defensive Ruck Effectiveness
23.5 Kaylum Boshier
23.2 Luke Jacobson
21.5 Du'Plessis Kirifi
20.5 Ardie Savea
15.2 Jahrome Brown
14.5 Dalton Papali'i
13.8 Tom Christie
12.1 Veveni Lasaqa

[MN5]

@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@African-Monkey said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

One of those times where stats don't lie AND tell the whole story........

Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.

What, get even heavier than 118kg ? ( apparently )

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby-world-cup-2023/300973228/rugby-world-cup-2023-ethan-blackadder-fit-and-focused-for-all-blacks-return

[Duluth]

@antipodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

Blackadder could benefit from adding more muscle and strength to his frame. With his undoubted engine, that would enable him to have more impact in the collision.

Sure, but he's is not that small

I think it's something else. Coaches of his and EB himself have joked about how unco he is. Too often he gets himself into weak positions going into contact and crumbles/bounces off etc

[Chris]

@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:

Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan Blackadder

Gainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan Blackadder

Dominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan Blackadder

When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
Points to no impact yet he has been selected.

[MN5]

@Chris said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:

Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan Blackadder

Gainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan Blackadder

Dominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan Blackadder

When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
Points to no impact yet he has been selected.

Does smashing small first fives not count ?

[Duluth]

@Chris said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:

Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan Blackadder

Gainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan Blackadder

Dominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan Blackadder

When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
Points to no impact yet he has been selected.

That poster left him off by accident I guess

Tackle Evasion 15.1%
Gainline 71.1%
Dominant Carry 36.1%

[Chris]

@MN5 said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@Chris said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:

Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan Blackadder

Gainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan Blackadder

Dominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan Blackadder

When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
Points to no impact yet he has been selected.

Does smashing small first fives not count ?

If that is all you are capable of hitting someone half your size I would think no.

[Chris]

@Duluth said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@Chris said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

@brodean said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

Some stats showing Blackadders Running Impact:

Tackle Evasion %
34.6 Veveni Lasaqa
26.7 Ardie Savea
22.8 Dalton Papali'i
20.0 Jahrome Brown
19.5 Luke Jacobson
18.4 Du'Plessis Kirifi
8.8 Kaylum Boshier
8.6 Tom Christie
7.1 Adrian Choat
2.5 Ethan Blackadder

Gainline %
73.6 Veveni Lasaqa
73.5 Jahrome Brown
68.8 Ardie Savea
66.7 Adrian Choat
65.8 Luke Jacobson
64.3 Kaylum Boshier
63.0 Dalton Papali'i
54.0 Du'Plessis Kirifi
44.2 Tom Christie
34.1 Ethan Blackadder

Dominant Carry %
44.2 Veveni Lasaqa
43.8 Luke Jacobson
35.5 Ardie Savea
34.3 Dalton Papali'i
33.8 Tom Christie
33.6 Du'Plessis Kirifi
28.2 Kaylum Boshier
24.1 Adrian Choat
13.8 Ethan Blackadder

When Tom Christie, Adrian Choat, and Kaylum Boshier all have more effective carries in all these metrics that's a problem.

Worries me Finau appears in none of those stats.
Points to no impact yet he has been selected.

That poster left him off by accident I guess

Tackle Evasion 15.1%
Gainline 71.1%
Dominant Carry 36.1%

That makes me fell a bit better .

[Bovidae]

The key for those stats was for a 7.

[Chris]

@Bovidae said in 2025 All Blacks v France series:

The key for those stats was for a 7.

Blackadder more a 6 than a 7 I think that showed in the SR finals.