All Blacks v France I
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
Christian Lio Willie speaks well. Doesn't sound like an overawed debutant. Excited to see him go at 8.
Isn't he a doctor or something?
Qualified dentist
@Frank said in All Blacks v France I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
Christian Lio Willie speaks well. Doesn't sound like an overawed debutant. Excited to see him go at 8.
Isn't he a doctor or something?
Qualified dentist
You'd think he'd be throwing out a few more high tackles then eh.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
@Jet said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Been plenty of chat on fora such as this over the last few years looking for Rieko to go back to the wing and for Ardie to go to 7.
A damning indictment on the last two coaching tickets that the "bar stoolers" were right all along.
We don't know we were right yet though.
Hasn't stopped premature celebration before so I don't expect it to disappear now.
hello wife i didn't know you posted here
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks Vs France, Test One, Dunedin:
Hasn't stopped premature celebration before so I don't expect it to disappear now.
hello wife i didn't know you posted here
you were too busy celebrating to notice.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
Christian Lio Willie speaks well. Doesn't sound like an overawed debutant. Excited to see him go at 8.
Isn't he a doctor or something?
Qualified dentist
@Frank said in All Blacks v France I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
Christian Lio Willie speaks well. Doesn't sound like an overawed debutant. Excited to see him go at 8.
Isn't he a doctor or something?
Qualified dentist
Makes sense.
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A huge 6-2 bench -
France team to face the All Blacks
France: 15 Theo Attissogbe, 14 Tom Spring, 13 Emilien Gailleton, 12 Gael Fickou (c), 11 Gabin Villière, 10 Joris Segonds, 9 Nolann Le Garrec, 8 Mickael Guillard, 7 Killian Tixeront, 6 Alexandre Fischer, 5 Tyler Duguid, 4 Hugo Auradou, 3 Rabah Slimani, 2 Gaetan Barlot, 1 Giorgi Beria
Replacements: 16 Pierre Bourgarit, 17 Paul Mallez, 18 Regis Montagne, 19 Romain Taofifenua, 20 Cameron Woki, 21 Jacobus van Tonder, 22 Baptiste Jauneau, 23 Antoine Hastoy@Daffy-Jaffy said in All Blacks v France I:
A huge 6-2 bench -
France team to face the All Blacks
France: 15 Theo Attissogbe, 14 Tom Spring, 13 Emilien Gailleton, 12 Gael Fickou (c), 11 Gabin Villière, 10 Joris Segonds, 9 Nolann Le Garrec, 8 Mickael Guillard, 7 Killian Tixeront, 6 Alexandre Fischer, 5 Tyler Duguid, 4 Hugo Auradou, 3 Rabah Slimani, 2 Gaetan Barlot, 1 Giorgi Beria
Replacements: 16 Pierre Bourgarit, 17 Paul Mallez, 18 Regis Montagne, 19 Romain Taofifenua, 20 Cameron Woki, 21 Jacobus van Tonder, 22 Baptiste Jauneau, 23 Antoine HastoySquat props. Scrum will pack low.
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A huge 6-2 bench -
France team to face the All Blacks
France: 15 Theo Attissogbe, 14 Tom Spring, 13 Emilien Gailleton, 12 Gael Fickou (c), 11 Gabin Villière, 10 Joris Segonds, 9 Nolann Le Garrec, 8 Mickael Guillard, 7 Killian Tixeront, 6 Alexandre Fischer, 5 Tyler Duguid, 4 Hugo Auradou, 3 Rabah Slimani, 2 Gaetan Barlot, 1 Giorgi Beria
Replacements: 16 Pierre Bourgarit, 17 Paul Mallez, 18 Regis Montagne, 19 Romain Taofifenua, 20 Cameron Woki, 21 Jacobus van Tonder, 22 Baptiste Jauneau, 23 Antoine Hastoy@Daffy-Jaffy Is Giorgi Beria any relation to Lavrentiy Beria?
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@Daffy-Jaffy Is Giorgi Beria any relation to Lavrentiy Beria?
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Daffy-Jaffy Is Giorgi Beria any relation to Lavrentiy Beria?
I just wasted 15 minutes checking, thanks. Apparently Beria is a relatively common name in Georgia.
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@Daffy-Jaffy Is Giorgi Beria any relation to Lavrentiy Beria?
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I suspect a lot of posters haven't watched much of the Blues this year, but Beauden was one of their best and they wouldn't have made the play offs without him. I made the comment about a month or so back that people would be triggered when he gets named at 10 for this match and was told I was just trolling, but he has actually been very good this year.
I have no issues with him starting this match, but as people have pointed out age isn't on his side so they will need to have an eye to towards developing a younger player for the next RWC. That said, I am not a big fan of a coaches plans having to revolve around a 4 year RWC cycle, it leads us down the path of anything outside of it is just a "friendly" which would be a bad thing for rugby overall.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
Looks like the first five is pretty quick.
And their right wing has got some real bounce
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I suspect a lot of posters haven't watched much of the Blues this year, but Beauden was one of their best and they wouldn't have made the play offs without him. I made the comment about a month or so back that people would be triggered when he gets named at 10 for this match and was told I was just trolling, but he has actually been very good this year.
I have no issues with him starting this match, but as people have pointed out age isn't on his side so they will need to have an eye to towards developing a younger player for the next RWC. That said, I am not a big fan of a coaches plans having to revolve around a 4 year RWC cycle, it leads us down the path of anything outside of it is just a "friendly" which would be a bad thing for rugby overall.
I watched him and the backline was barely functional for most of the time except near the business end. A lot of what he creates is for himself.
It's no coincidence that the Blues won their two titles in the twenties when he was on sabbatical.
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I suspect a lot of posters haven't watched much of the Blues this year, but Beauden was one of their best and they wouldn't have made the play offs without him. I made the comment about a month or so back that people would be triggered when he gets named at 10 for this match and was told I was just trolling, but he has actually been very good this year.
I have no issues with him starting this match, but as people have pointed out age isn't on his side so they will need to have an eye to towards developing a younger player for the next RWC. That said, I am not a big fan of a coaches plans having to revolve around a 4 year RWC cycle, it leads us down the path of anything outside of it is just a "friendly" which would be a bad thing for rugby overall.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France I:
I suspect a lot of posters haven't watched much of the Blues this year, but Beauden was one of their best and they wouldn't have made the play offs without him. I made the comment about a month or so back that people would be triggered when he gets named at 10 for this match and was told I was just trolling, but he has actually been very good this year.
I have no issues with him starting this match, but as people have pointed out age isn't on his side so they will need to have an eye to towards developing a younger player for the next RWC. That said, I am not a big fan of a coaches plans having to revolve around a 4 year RWC cycle, it leads us down the path of anything outside of it is just a "friendly" which would be a bad thing for rugby overall.
Yeah I watched all the Blues games Barrett did play well for the Blues apart from the odd silly mistake.
But can he convert it to the internationals,Someone has to him or D Mac or we will not win the tough games.
We badly need another couple of younger first fives to stand up we need more depth.
Maybe Reihana can with another year driving the ship at the Crusaders as a back up player.
Jacomb seems have gone backwards to me. -
@Chris yeah I think our two most promising 10s are Reihana and Love, Love really needs a full Super season at 10 though to solidify himself there. Love is in the squad and Reihana getting valuable gametime with the Maori so I'd say both are firmly in the coaches sights.
I don't see a huge amount of difference starting Beuaden and DMac. Both players run hot and cold and generally create more for themselves, with the flaw of often trying to do too much and making silly errors. Beauden's direct running style is better suited to test footy which is why I think he gets the nod more often.
(conscious I am getting away from the match here so happy for these posts to be moved)
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Beauden Barrett is 34 now.
Have we really become that desperate as a rugby nation that we can't try an exciting young prospect like Reuben Love against France B? He didn't even make the 23.
Beauden Barrett in 2027 will be the same age as Jonny Sexton was in 2023.
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Beauden Barrett is 34 now.
Have we really become that desperate as a rugby nation that we can't try an exciting young prospect like Reuben Love against France B? He didn't even make the 23.
Beauden Barrett in 2027 will be the same age as Jonny Sexton was in 2023.
@brodean said in All Blacks v France I:
Beauden Barrett is 34 now.
Have we really become that desperate as a rugby nation that we can't try an exciting young prospect like Reuben Love against France B? He didn't even make the 23.
Beauden Barrett in 2027 will be the same age as Jonny Sexton was in 2023.
If Razor wants to be innovative and forward thinking, he really needs to throw Ruben Love the 10 jersey in the third test once we've hopefully sealed the deal. At the very least, Ruben really needs to get some time off the bench to stake his claim. We definitely can't go into a WC with Beauden at the helm.
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France I:
Beauden Barrett is 34 now.
Have we really become that desperate as a rugby nation that we can't try an exciting young prospect like Reuben Love against France B? He didn't even make the 23.
Beauden Barrett in 2027 will be the same age as Jonny Sexton was in 2023.
If Razor wants to be innovative and forward thinking, he really needs to throw Ruben Love the 10 jersey in the third test once we've hopefully sealed the deal. At the very least, Ruben really needs to get some time off the bench to stake his claim. We definitely can't go into a WC with Beauden at the helm.
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Yes now is the perfect time to blood Love.
@brodean said in All Blacks v France I:
Yes now is the perfect time to blood Love.
yes he needs to show a bit of Love in this series. And I'm serious, but I'll get my coat anyway.
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Selecting Beauden is a wasted opportunity. He's never been a good 10, never going to be - and by the next WC he will be older and slower, negating further his real strengths which are running and kicking for himself.
McKenzie is a better 10, currently our best - and actually looks to put others into space - he is a realistic option for the next few years. He should be starting and Love should be on the bench and getting game time.
If you're not going to do it against France B at home - they have named what 8 debutants? - then when the fuck are you going to do it? -
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France I:
I suspect a lot of posters haven't watched much of the Blues this year, but Beauden was one of their best and they wouldn't have made the play offs without him. I made the comment about a month or so back that people would be triggered when he gets named at 10 for this match and was told I was just trolling, but he has actually been very good this year.
I have no issues with him starting this match, but as people have pointed out age isn't on his side so they will need to have an eye to towards developing a younger player for the next RWC. That said, I am not a big fan of a coaches plans having to revolve around a 4 year RWC cycle, it leads us down the path of anything outside of it is just a "friendly" which would be a bad thing for rugby overall.
Yeah I watched all the Blues games Barrett did play well for the Blues apart from the odd silly mistake.
But can he convert it to the internationals,Someone has to him or D Mac or we will not win the tough games.
We badly need another couple of younger first fives to stand up we need more depth.
Maybe Reihana can with another year driving the ship at the Crusaders as a back up player.
Jacomb seems have gone backwards to me.@Chris said in All Blacks v France I:
Yeah I watched all the Blues games Barrett did play well for the Blues apart from the odd silly mistake.
I watched most.
Beauden's long range kicking, and especially his exit plays, were terrible. This is one area DMac has it all over him, and he has his poor moments. We will never match the top international teams if we simply cannot get out of our 22 properly.
The Blues did not play better once he got back in the team, quite the contrary -- that is, he's no better than Plummer or Perofeta. In particular, the Blues centres scored almost no tries this year, despite a hard-working forward pack, because BB doesn't set up a back-line very well. It's no coincidence that the All Black back-line becomes similarly dry in tries when he has taken over.
How many times do we have to repeat the end of last year, where we are going OK under McKenzie, only to replace him with Barrett and then get worse? How does our sudden improvement once Beauden was replaced by Mo'unga get ignored?
I get that DMc is not the sort of player that everyone likes. But at least he is good for the other backs to run off, and gives us options other than poor chips, mid-field bombs and cross-kicks.
