All Blacks v France I
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v France I:
I know the point you're making, but some of the most physical rugby I've seen was during the NZ only Super during Covid.
See how far you've slipped?
I know your point you're making, but we're a few years beyond that and IMHO the lessons learned are being diluted.
Because what else happened around COVID Time? Saffer teams stopped playing Super Rugby. So you were just coming off that experience, and no shock you were still at a high level in physicality terms.
The NZ Rugby machine has gone into a cycle of what works for regular games against our sides: pace and precision. You're more physical than ours by dint of a larger playing pool and systems that haven't eroded as much as ours (yet). You simply don't need to try to outmuscle us, because you're doing it by default.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v France I:
@NTA said in All Blacks v France I:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks v France I:
Geez squeaky bum time. James Doleman man of the match for France for sure.
Unless I'm missing something, the TMO was Brett Cronin?
No Damon Murphy was Cronin was there to judge whether YCs would be updated. must be a new thing.
Makes sense for the yellow cards under review - TMO can't be everywhere, tho it feels like it some times.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
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So did Billy Proctor do anything that Rieko wouldn't have done at centre? Like, I'm sure he'll get another go there, but I was underwhelmed by what I saw of him.
Roigard was good, Lio-Willie looked alright (probably the best of the newbies), unsure about Finau and Kirifi, happy to see them persevered with for a bit, but Kirifi looked well undersized out there (as we expected), Ardie
is such a weird player.....carries plenty, and well, but it's weird that he has 7 on his back as he certainly does not play like one, tight 5 were largely good (including the bench), BB and DMac had theur moments, Jordie had a solid outing and Rieko went alright in the first half, cold in the 2nd.I think they run it back with most of them. We're always rusty first up.
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Are the TMOs on commission for spotting errors leading up to All Blacks tries? I can wear the Newell knock-on and Proctor not controlling the ball on the line, but the ruling on the third Jordan try was dodgy. Anyone thinking this is just paranoia needs to read Ian Foster’s biography. World Rugby is corrupt. And it has everything to do with the weight of money in the north.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
And the Japan test too?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v France I:
Are the TMOs on commission for spotting errors leading up to All Blacks tries? I can wear the Newell knock-on and Proctor not controlling the ball on the line, but the ruling on the third Jordan try was dodgy. Anyone thinking this is just paranoia needs to read Ian Foster’s biography. World Rugby is corrupt. And it has everything to do with the weight of money in the north.
Yeah that Jordan no try was a joke.
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@Canes4life I love Billy to bits, but I fear he flunked it tonight on the big occasion.
Quinn Tupaea should start at 13 next week IMHO.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life I love Billy to bits, but I fear he flunked it tonight on the big occasion.
Quinn Tupaea should start at 13 next week IMHO.
I’ll be very surprised if Proctor doesn’t start in Welly. The last thing you want to do is ruin a young players confidence by dropping him after one test. If he doesn’t perform next week then fair enough.
I thought the disallowed try on Proctor was harsh, he did bloody well to get to the line there.
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I would love to see that obstruction called consistently. It's the right call, but it is missed way too much to the detriment of the game. Also pleased to see the yellow card for blocking a pass. If we want to see good running attacking rugby, we need to clamp down on that stuff.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v France I:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v France I:
Are the TMOs on commission for spotting errors leading up to All Blacks tries? I can wear the Newell knock-on and Proctor not controlling the ball on the line, but the ruling on the third Jordan try was dodgy. Anyone thinking this is just paranoia needs to read Ian Foster’s biography. World Rugby is corrupt. And it has everything to do with the weight of money in the north.
Yeah that Jordan no try was a joke.
The amount of times that's given because the attacking player has a finger still in contact makes this new interpretation courtesy of Australia's worst current SR ref a joke.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
I thought the obstruction call was much clearer than the knock on by proctor
I thought that too was terrible - it made no difference to the shape taken by the All Blacks in defence and none to the French defence.
Legitimately correct by the letter of the law, but an absolute arse in terms of effect.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v France I:
Are the TMOs on commission for spotting errors leading up to All Blacks tries?
I don't think the TMOs are partial to any particular international team, but I suspect they are trained in being absolutely ruthless and thorough at spotting anything that might bring a try into doubt.
It's a very long time since you heard the phrase "benefit of doubt to the attacking team" in international rugby.
That's fine if you want a game that appeals to the litigious and becomes a contest between who has the better defensive coaching set-up, but it does reduce the sense of spectacle and wonder. Attack is being unfairly discouraged and attacking teams like the ABs and attacking Rugby cultures like New Zealand are being disproportionately punished.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
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It was really cool having the interviews with the families there too.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life I love Billy to bits, but I fear he flunked it tonight on the big occasion.
Quinn Tupaea should start at 13 next week IMHO.
I’ll be very surprised if Proctor doesn’t start in Welly. The last thing you want to do is ruin a young players confidence by dropping him after one test. If he doesn’t perform next week then fair enough.
I thought the disallowed try on Proctor was harsh, he did bloody well to get to the line there.
Those decisions need to be watched at full speed.
There was no material knock on there for me.
