All Blacks v France I
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky In which case, as Jet says above, we need to take the gloves off and stop being nice guys. Go the
Razzie route and start punching heads at
World Rugby. Sic the advertisers onto the unaccountable Hooray Henrys and bumbling administrators elevated way above their station who are terrified of lawyers and the club owners. That’s what’s going on here. And if they’re not corrupt, they’re incompetent. Take your pick. Neither is good.We could take the gloves off and be nice guys. Let the others bleat and moan, we should be strong enough to raise controversial, contentious issues and argue them in a convincing way without being dickheads.
PS. Tks for the heads-up on Foster's book.
@Victor-Meldrew It’s a good read. And it’s ghost written by Gregor Paul, who had been one of his biggest critics. I was impressed by his insights. But he was clearly undone off the field by some very political operators at NZ Rugby who were all about maximising value from the Silver Lake private equity funders and on the field by the perennial second guessers at World Rugby
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France I:
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky In which case, as Jet says above, we need to take the gloves off and stop being nice guys. Go the
Razzie route and start punching heads at
World Rugby. Sic the advertisers onto the unaccountable Hooray Henrys and bumbling administrators elevated way above their station who are terrified of lawyers and the club owners. That’s what’s going on here. And if they’re not corrupt, they’re incompetent. Take your pick. Neither is good.We could take the gloves off and be nice guys. Let the others bleat and moan, we should be strong enough to raise controversial, contentious issues and argue them in a convincing way without being dickheads.
PS. Tks for the heads-up on Foster's book.
It's even our pundits Victor.
We aren't ruthless enough on podcasts, TV or print.
A collective turning of the other cheek.
@Jet If South Africa, England, Ireland or France had been playing at home and there had been a similar situation to the Billy Proctor "try" to one of their tries, then I am sure the home broadcaster would have mysteriously not been able to show the super slow mo at the right angle.
We need to stop being nice and enjoy being ruthless bastards again.
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Will try and read the thread tomorrow but my thoughts as follows ...
One of the most comprehensive four point thrashings you'll ever see.
Recall that a few years back when the ABs beat England at Dunedin and the Poms, from being 15 points down scored a couple late, after the hooter, to lose by 1, and they admitted being thrashed by one point. This was similar.
In the MOTM thread I really had to think hard about who played badly. For me only Hurricanes Jesus Proctor was anonymous, despite being glaringly obvious on that first Frog try.
He did score that try though. That was a bullshit call. As was the obstruction on Jordan’s non try.
Enjoyed the spectacle though. The margin not so much.
Was close on the score board, but not in the field
Taking the win, and flushing the dunny.
As mentioned above we smacked seven shades if shite out if them. Quite frankly 50 points better than them, and that's flattering.
A couple of defensive errors made them look good.
@booboo said in All Blacks v France I:
A couple of defensive errors made them look good.
Just on this, the French attack did some nice things when they had the opportunity as well.
The second French try of the second half, which started with the van Tonder linebreak, came from the French reserve tighthead, Montagne, throwing a cut-out pass.
There is not a defender in world rugby which thinks that from this situation, the tighthead is going to fling a bullet across the face of the defensive line. Beautiful play by Montagne, a play any first five would be proud of.
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Also, I know we're gradually sliding into fullblown conspiracy mode but Barlot pretty clearly knocked the ball on in the lead-up to the French try just after halftime.
Not sure why the TMO didn't intervene there. Or perhaps there were too many phases between the knock-on and the try? (my eye involuntarily twitched when writing that)
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Also, I know we're gradually sliding into fullblown conspiracy mode but Barlot pretty clearly knocked the ball on in the lead-up to the French try just after halftime.
Not sure why the TMO didn't intervene there. Or perhaps there were too many phases between the knock-on and the try? (my eye involuntarily twitched when writing that)
@Mauss said in All Blacks v France I:
Also, I know we're gradually sliding into fullblown conspiracy mode but Barlot pretty clearly knocked the ball on in the lead-up to the French try just after halftime.
Not sure why the TMO didn't intervene there. Or perhaps there were too many phases between the knock-on and the try? (my eye involuntarily twitched when writing that)
Works for the Boks.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France I:
A couple of defensive errors made them look good.
Just on this, the French attack did some nice things when they had the opportunity as well.
The second French try of the second half, which started with the van Tonder linebreak, came from the French reserve tighthead, Montagne, throwing a cut-out pass.
There is not a defender in world rugby which thinks that from this situation, the tighthead is going to fling a bullet across the face of the defensive line. Beautiful play by Montagne, a play any first five would be proud of.
@Mauss Vive La France. They've got the skills and the vision to produce the magic.
But the flip side of the coin is that it's a pretty crap defensive line by the All Blacks. I don't think South Africa, France, Ireland or England would have had such poor line speed and leave a big gap in the middle straight after half time. And it's not the first time to put it mildly, the French reserve prop had been coached on what to look for.
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@Victor-Meldrew It’s a good read. And it’s ghost written by Gregor Paul, who had been one of his biggest critics. I was impressed by his insights. But he was clearly undone off the field by some very political operators at NZ Rugby who were all about maximising value from the Silver Lake private equity funders and on the field by the perennial second guessers at World Rugby
@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v France I:
@Victor-Meldrew It’s a good read. And it’s ghost written by Gregor Paul, who had been one of his biggest critics. I was impressed by his insights. But he was clearly undone off the field by some very political operators at NZ Rugby who were all about maximising value from the Silver Lake private equity funders and on the field by the perennial second guessers at World Rugby
Not going to get into any Foster discussions, except to say I hope Robinson isn't treated as shabbily by NZR as Foster was. Utterly unedifying and a symptom of something rotten.
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@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v France I:
@Victor-Meldrew It’s a good read. And it’s ghost written by Gregor Paul, who had been one of his biggest critics. I was impressed by his insights. But he was clearly undone off the field by some very political operators at NZ Rugby who were all about maximising value from the Silver Lake private equity funders and on the field by the perennial second guessers at World Rugby
Not going to get into any Foster discussions, except to say I hope Robinson isn't treated as shabbily by NZR as Foster was. Utterly unedifying and a symptom of something rotten.
@Victor-Meldrew Something rotten starts with M and ends with Y.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
I said innocuous originally. No material contact. Nothing that impeded him sufficiently to change the play. As Antipodean said, it didn’t even change their coverage
But I’ve been on this forum long enough to know the futility of arguing with you so I’ll leave it at that
Well that's one way to concede, glad we agree there was contact.
That's a sad way to tacitly admit your claim it changed the defence from being able to cover off Beauden's pass is as bullshit as the TMO's adjudication.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
I said innocuous originally. No material contact. Nothing that impeded him sufficiently to change the play. As Antipodean said, it didn’t even change their coverage
But I’ve been on this forum long enough to know the futility of arguing with you so I’ll leave it at that
Well that's one way to concede, glad we agree there was contact.
That's a sad way to tacitly admit your claim it changed the defence from being able to cover off Beauden's pass is as bullshit as the TMO's adjudication.
That'd be a brilliant retort if I ever made that claim.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
I said innocuous originally. No material contact. Nothing that impeded him sufficiently to change the play. As Antipodean said, it didn’t even change their coverage
But I’ve been on this forum long enough to know the futility of arguing with you so I’ll leave it at that
Well that's one way to concede, glad we agree there was contact.
That's a sad way to tacitly admit your claim it changed the defence from being able to cover off Beauden's pass is as bullshit as the TMO's adjudication.
That'd be a brilliant retort if I ever made that claim.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
I said innocuous originally. No material contact. Nothing that impeded him sufficiently to change the play. As Antipodean said, it didn’t even change their coverage
But I’ve been on this forum long enough to know the futility of arguing with you so I’ll leave it at that
Well that's one way to concede, glad we agree there was contact.
That's a sad way to tacitly admit your claim it changed the defence from being able to cover off Beauden's pass is as bullshit as the TMO's adjudication.
That'd be a brilliant retort if I ever made that claim.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
That was my initial take, but replays showed it was a full on block, BB clearly ran behind him and the defender could have pressed forward and put pressure on the attack if he wasn't obstructed. He was full on checked by Tosi.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
I said innocuous originally. No material contact. Nothing that impeded him sufficiently to change the play. As Antipodean said, it didn’t even change their coverage
But I’ve been on this forum long enough to know the futility of arguing with you so I’ll leave it at that
Well that's one way to concede, glad we agree there was contact.
That's a sad way to tacitly admit your claim it changed the defence from being able to cover off Beauden's pass is as bullshit as the TMO's adjudication.
That'd be a brilliant retort if I ever made that claim.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
That was my initial take, but replays showed it was a full on block, BB clearly ran behind him and the defender could have pressed forward and put pressure on the attack if he wasn't obstructed. He was full on checked by Tosi.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France I:
There was no contact
You might want to double check who's talking nonsense.
Have checked
It’s not me
But thanks for asking
I checked out of reading the rest as you started with a blatant lie. Are you really saying Tosi didn't make contact? It makes anything else you try to say, redundant.
I said innocuous originally. No material contact. Nothing that impeded him sufficiently to change the play. As Antipodean said, it didn’t even change their coverage
But I’ve been on this forum long enough to know the futility of arguing with you so I’ll leave it at that
Well that's one way to concede, glad we agree there was contact.
That's a sad way to tacitly admit your claim it changed the defence from being able to cover off Beauden's pass is as bullshit as the TMO's adjudication.
That'd be a brilliant retort if I ever made that claim.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France I:
That was my initial take, but replays showed it was a full on block, BB clearly ran behind him and the defender could have pressed forward and put pressure on the attack if he wasn't obstructed. He was full on checked by Tosi.
Well thanks for the clarification I didn't make that claim, I guess?
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Well....I guess this is why I don't often frequent rugbypass.
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/all-blacks-player-ratings-vs-france-lipovitan-d-july-series/
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France I:
@Canes4life Generally true, but even I thought Billy Prcotor was poor tonight.
Surely you start him again, it’s literally his first start. He’ll only going to get better as he gets more comfortable.
He started vs Fiji last year didn't he?
Oh yup you’re correct. He just needs time, he’s classy enough to bounce back. He’s shown he’s the best centre in New Zealand, just needs to put it all together. No better chance at home next week.
He's shown he's the best Super Rugby centre in NZ. Test wise jury is still out
I would start him next week too. There will be enough changes already with Reece out.
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France I:
He's been poor 100% in Tests. Terrible defender and created absolutely nothing tonight - the very thing Rieko gets shit for.
That's not true. He didn't have a great game but he was involved in Jordie's try just before halftime and several other clever passes. But his blunders were huge blunders.
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Super Rugby is no longer the premier competition without the Saffas it's becoming harder and harder for the ABs to build enough depth to field a dominant test side when they're only playing against themselves and the Aussies, the deck is stacked against it.
All of the top 14 basically has 2 teams, the likes of Toulouse and Bordeaux go away from home in a top 14 game and make 16-17-18 changes to the 23, they have about 70 players who can play at test level.
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21-13 at halftime and a yellow card and tiring Frenchies in the second half. Not sure what happened but our bench weren't much of an improvement perhaps. But I'm not sure where the weakness on the bench was.
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I'm watching delayed.
I'm at the 30 minute mark. We played excellent excellent attack. Proctor chucks a shocker. We lose a turnover, field a kick in our own end, try running it out, then kick a cross field kick to touch just outside our 22.
We've looked so good, but we compound errors with trying something shit to remedy the error. Shit pass? Throw a 2nd risky pass to try and get out of it. Just be pragmatic FFS.
Contrast Fikou picking up a shit pass and then just trucking it back to his forwards for a reset.
It's the whole team as well, our first score was struck off because we tried yo turn a shit pass into a miracle
