All Blacks v France II
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v France 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France 2:
I will find it very frustrating if there's anything but last week's group with injury changes.
3rd test, have at it.
Actually, I'd be happy to see Vaai go back to lock if Ah Kuoi goes to blindside, but it wouldn't make much sense when you can just throw PT in at lock.
No. Chopping and changing won't do him any good. Let's keep him at six. He's finally become a force at test level and there aren't exactly other options beating down the door at blindside.
i feel like im being gaslit...there seems to be a continuous discussion about things like 12 and 13 are wildly different positions and very few people can learn both....but also lets move people around from one game to another to make sure theyre versatile
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks v France 2:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France 2:
I will find it very frustrating if there's anything but last week's group with injury changes.
3rd test, have at it.
Actually, I'd be happy to see Vaai go back to lock if Ah Kuoi goes to blindside, but it wouldn't make much sense when you can just throw PT in at lock.
No. Chopping and changing won't do him any good. Let's keep him at six. He's finally become a force at test level and there aren't exactly other options beating down the door at blindside.
i feel like im being gaslit...there seems to be a continuous discussion about things like 12 and 13 are wildly different positions and very few people can learn both....but also lets move people around from one game to another to make sure theyre versatile
They are a bit different. Some players have the physical attributes, skills and temperament to play both and some don't. I don't think there are many players who are equally good at both. Generally a player will be better at 12 or better at 13.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks v France 2:
He's finally become a force at test level
You almost had me until this.
Any idea what position he's a force at?
@Bones said in All Blacks v France 2:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France 2:
He's finally become a force at test level
You almost had me until this.
Any idea what position he's a force at?
A force.....competent.....same thing.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France 2:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France 2:
He's finally become a force at test level
You almost had me until this.
Any idea what position he's a force at?
A force.....competent.....same thing.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France 2:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France 2:
He's finally become a force at test level
You almost had me until this.
Any idea what position he's a force at?
A force.....competent.....same thing.
I don't think that's a rugby position.
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Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
That's just it though isn't it, did he flag that because he knows that Vaii was playing better?
If Vaii gets moved this week, we've at least potentially got an issue where he wants to play three locks to protect a captain who may not justify their position.
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@gt12 yeah, they've got a lock in Holland now that is built for test footy, and boy do we need his size. That added to Vaa'i completely outplaying Barrett last year has put them in a bit of a spot re: the three. Dropping Vaa'i when he's really come of age at test level would be crazy, and they can't drop their captain, but one of the shorter locks has to make way. The problems at 6 have given them a bit of an out so to speak, but it's dependent on Vaa'i making it work there, which is not that fair on him. If Vaa'i can make the transition from playing like a lock to more of a 6 then I can obviously see the big upside to that, but it's a risk.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
That's just it though isn't it, did he flag that because he knows that Vaii was playing better?
If Vaii gets moved this week, we've at least potentially got an issue where he wants to play three locks to protect a captain who may not justify their position.
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
That's just it though isn't it, did he flag that because he knows that Vaii was playing better?
If Vaii gets moved this week, we've at least potentially got an issue where he wants to play three locks to protect a captain who may not justify their position.
They should either pair Reiko and Vaii in the midfield or pair Vaii and Reiko in the second row.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
Straight swap, PT to captain from lock.
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I will find it very frustrating if there's anything but last week's group with injury changes.
3rd test, have at it.
@Bones said in All Blacks v France 2:
I will find it very frustrating if there's anything but last week's group with injury changes.
3rd test, have at it.
Yep. The only change I'd make is start Ratima with Roigard being used for his running when the French are tiring. Maybe even leave that experiment to the 3rd
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
That's just it though isn't it, did he flag that because he knows that Vaii was playing better?
If Vaii gets moved this week, we've at least potentially got an issue where he wants to play three locks to protect a captain who may not justify their position.
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
If Vaii gets moved this week, we've at least potentially got an issue where he wants to play three locks to protect a captain who may not justify their position.
I'm getting a sense of deja vu.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
If Vaii gets moved this week, we've at least potentially got an issue where he wants to play three locks to protect a captain who may not justify their position.
I'm getting a sense of deja vu.
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
If Vaii gets moved this week, we've at least potentially got an issue where he wants to play three locks to protect a captain who may not justify their position.
I'm getting a sense of deja vu.
Again?
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I'm expecting us to smash them in this test. The scoreline last test could have easily been closer to 50 - 15 if we tightened up our defense and managed to finish a couple of those disallowed tries. Factor in the Wellington weather and I'm expecting something around 40 - 10, could get ugly for France if we really click though.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France 2:
I'm expecting us to smash them in this test. The scoreline last test could have easily been closer to 50 - 15 if we tightened up our defense and managed to finish a couple of those disallowed tries. Factor in the Wellington weather and I'm expecting something around 40 - 10, could get ugly for France if we really click though.
you think Wellington weather will help us rather than them given we are the ones with the experimental and inaccurate-already kicking?
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
If Vaii gets moved this week, we've at least potentially got an issue where he wants to play three locks to protect a captain who may not justify their position.
I'm getting a sense of deja vu.
Again?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France 2:
@brodean said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France 2:
@gt12 said in All Blacks v France 2:
Yeah, if they want Vaii to have time at 6, bring in Patty T.
If it was accommodating Barrett - which is a bit of an issue - then bring in Finau to start, Pat T off the bench.
Similarly, not sure we learn much with Dmac at 15, so if he’s to be the bench man, leave him there and bring in Clarke or Narawa.
That’s a bit of a myth right there. Razor pretty much flagged from early on that he had options to play a lock at 6. Vaa’i was the obvious choice in my view.
Now that Barrett is injured, which happened during the game and not carried in, we need to bring in the next best lock into the 23 plus someone as cover (which may be one of the lumps that was used in training).
I know this stuff is all in the eye of the beholder, but I actually didn’t mind Finau off the bench last weekend. Did a few good things I thought. I’d keep him in that role unless Vaa’i is all of sudden ruled out.
If Vaii gets moved this week, we've at least potentially got an issue where he wants to play three locks to protect a captain who may not justify their position.
I'm getting a sense of deja vu.
Again?
All over again
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France 2:
I'm expecting us to smash them in this test. The scoreline last test could have easily been closer to 50 - 15 if we tightened up our defense and managed to finish a couple of those disallowed tries. Factor in the Wellington weather and I'm expecting something around 40 - 10, could get ugly for France if we really click though.
you think Wellington weather will help us rather than them given we are the ones with the experimental and inaccurate-already kicking?
Expect up to 10 changes to the French side.
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@ploughboy said in All Blacks v France 2:
PT to lock
Clarke to 11
RI to 14
TT to 22
RL to 23What you would like to see or some inside oil?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France 2:
I'm expecting us to smash them in this test. The scoreline last test could have easily been closer to 50 - 15 if we tightened up our defense and managed to finish a couple of those disallowed tries. Factor in the Wellington weather and I'm expecting something around 40 - 10, could get ugly for France if we really click though.
you think Wellington weather will help us rather than them given we are the ones with the experimental and inaccurate-already kicking?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France 2:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v France 2:
I'm expecting us to smash them in this test. The scoreline last test could have easily been closer to 50 - 15 if we tightened up our defense and managed to finish a couple of those disallowed tries. Factor in the Wellington weather and I'm expecting something around 40 - 10, could get ugly for France if we really click though.
you think Wellington weather will help us rather than them given we are the ones with the experimental and inaccurate-already kicking?
I’ll let you know when I’m at the stadium
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France 2:
I will find it very frustrating if there's anything but last week's group with injury changes.
3rd test, have at it.
Yep. The only change I'd make is start Ratima with Roigard being used for his running when the French are tiring. Maybe even leave that experiment to the 3rd
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France 2:
I will find it very frustrating if there's anything but last week's group with injury changes.
3rd test, have at it.
Yep. The only change I'd make is start Ratima with Roigard being used for his running when the French are tiring. Maybe even leave that experiment to the 3rd
I don’t mind this tactic, provided Roigard is on the field for the whole second half. It feels like a potentially better way to use the two halfbacks. Let Roigard go up against somewhat fatigued opposition for 40 minutes or even give him a short burst before half time.
