All Blacks v France III
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France III:
Robertson's gone pretty much experimental for the first 2 Tests so I'd be tempted to stick with what works or looks to be working, Scooter for Pat T in the forwards (if fit) and some rotation in the front row. Start Ratima with DMac, and keep Reiko & Jordan in place.
Give QT, Hotham & Lakai plenty of time off the bench.
Did Billy P do enough in the second half to keep him there and does Robertson give Love a shot over BB?
I know I'm a broken record on this, but every man and his dog knows exactly what BB offers. The only possible point in playing him in a dead rubber against France C is if you want continuity and are experimenting with other players around him. But we already know Jordie and Roigard are 9 and 12.
Playing him in this game - even ignoring my opinion that he shouldn't be there in the first place and was poor last game - would make no sense.Pretty much agree with all of that, but just don't think Robertson will ditch him from the 23 - should do though.
But we already know Jordie and Roigard are 9 and 12.
Which gives a good platform to try new players at 10 & 13, He's done that with Billy P, why not at 10?
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France III:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France III:
Lakai
Have I missed something?
Haven't heard what his injury actually was but it didn't look good at the time. I think someone mentioned 5-8 weeks.
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Vaa'i is a major injury doubt so something like
1 De Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Newell (Lomax)
4 Tuipolutu
5 Holland
6 Jacobson
7 Kirifi
8 A. Savea (c)
9 Hotham
10 Love
11 R Ioane
12 J. Barrett
13 Q. Tupaea
14 Narawa
15 Jordan16 McAlister, 17 Norris 18 Tosi 19 Finau 20 Papalii 21 Roigard 22 Big Jim 23 DMac
@sparky said in All Blacks v France III:
Vaa'i is a major injury doubt so something like
1 De Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Newell (Lomax)
4 Tuipolutu
5 Holland
6 Jacobson
7 Kirifi
8 A. Savea (c)
9 Hotham
10 Love
11 R Ioane
12 J. Barrett
13 Q. Tupaea
14 Narawa
15 Jordan16 McAlister, 17 Norris 18 Tosi 19 Finau 20 Papalii 21 Roigard 22 Big Jim 23 DMac
Jeez, can’t wait to see that massive loose forward trio knock blokes on their arse all game
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France III:
Robertson's gone pretty much experimental for the first 2 Tests so I'd be tempted to stick with what works or looks to be working, Scooter for Pat T in the forwards (if fit) and some rotation in the front row. Start Ratima with DMac, and keep Reiko & Jordan in place.
Give QT, Hotham & Lakai plenty of time off the bench.
Did Billy P do enough in the second half to keep him there and does Robertson give Love a shot over BB?
I know I'm a broken record on this, but every man and his dog knows exactly what BB offers. The only possible point in playing him in a dead rubber against France C is if you want continuity and are experimenting with other players around him. But we already know Jordie and Roigard are 9 and 12.
Playing him in this game - even ignoring my opinion that he shouldn't be there in the first place and was poor last game - would make no sense.@reprobate On domestic form DMac has been the best 10 for the past 2 years. I don't get it.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France III:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France III:
Razor is basically selecting how he should have last season
Yes
It was a fault.
We need to explore options at first five right now. Currently our first five tactical kicking and exits are poor. Still getting too many aimless up and unders.
Roigard showed outstanding skill with tactical kicking on Saturday and the 10 needs to do the same.Sititi-Roigard-?-Jordie is now strong. Who's going to grab the ? to take us to 2027.
He'll be thrilled getting a mention despite not playing this year. Charlie Ngatai never had it so good.
@MN5 said in All Blacks v France III:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France III:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France III:
Razor is basically selecting how he should have last season
Yes
It was a fault.
We need to explore options at first five right now. Currently our first five tactical kicking and exits are poor. Still getting too many aimless up and unders.
Roigard showed outstanding skill with tactical kicking on Saturday and the 10 needs to do the same.Sititi-Roigard-?-Jordie is now strong. Who's going to grab the ? to take us to 2027.
He'll be thrilled getting a mention despite not playing this year. Charlie Ngatai never had it so good.
It's called extrapolation in my mind
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France III:
Vaa'i is a major injury doubt so something like
1 De Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Newell (Lomax)
4 Tuipolutu
5 Holland
6 Jacobson
7 Kirifi
8 A. Savea (c)
9 Hotham
10 Love
11 R Ioane
12 J. Barrett
13 Q. Tupaea
14 Narawa
15 Jordan16 McAlister, 17 Norris 18 Tosi 19 Finau 20 Papalii 21 Roigard 22 Big Jim 23 DMac
Jeez, can’t wait to see that massive loose forward trio knock blokes on their arse all game
@voodoo said in All Blacks v France III:
@sparky said in All Blacks v France III:
Vaa'i is a major injury doubt so something like
1 De Groot
2 Taukei'aho
3 Newell (Lomax)
4 Tuipolutu
5 Holland
6 Jacobson
7 Kirifi
8 A. Savea (c)
9 Hotham
10 Love
11 R Ioane
12 J. Barrett
13 Q. Tupaea
14 Narawa
15 Jordan16 McAlister, 17 Norris 18 Tosi 19 Finau 20 Papalii 21 Roigard 22 Big Jim 23 DMac
Jeez, can’t wait to see that massive loose forward trio knock blokes on their arse all game
You will have to wait until the props have finished running rampant with the ball.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v France III:
Robertson's gone pretty much experimental for the first 2 Tests so I'd be tempted to stick with what works or looks to be working, Scooter for Pat T in the forwards (if fit) and some rotation in the front row. Start Ratima with DMac, and keep Reiko & Jordan in place.
Give QT, Hotham & Lakai plenty of time off the bench.
Did Billy P do enough in the second half to keep him there and does Robertson give Love a shot over BB?
I know I'm a broken record on this, but every man and his dog knows exactly what BB offers. The only possible point in playing him in a dead rubber against France C is if you want continuity and are experimenting with other players around him. But we already know Jordie and Roigard are 9 and 12.
Playing him in this game - even ignoring my opinion that he shouldn't be there in the first place and was poor last game - would make no sense.@reprobate said in All Blacks v France III:
But we already know Jordie and Roigard are 9 and 12.
That's a very big 9 and a small 12 you have there.
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at least we have massive and physically imposing players in the loosies now
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I'd be pretty keen to see the following 23 for Saturday:
- De Groot
- Taukei'aho
- Lomax
- Tuipolotu/Ah Koui
- Holland
- Jacobsen
- Savea (C)
- Lio-Willie
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Clarke
- Tupaea
- Proctor
- Narawa
- Love
- McCalister
- Norris
- Tosi
- Finau
- Kirifi
- Hotham
- B Barrett
- Leinert-Brown
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Love might get a start at fullback.
Flanker/lock Tupou Vaa'i failed his HIA after his head knock in the late stages of Saturday's Test, and lock Patrick Tuipulotu and fullback Will Jordan have both suffered niggling knee injuries.
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France III:
Love might get a start at fullback.
Flanker/lock Tupou Vaa'i failed his HIA after his head knock in the late stages of Saturday's Test, and lock Patrick Tuipulotu and fullback Will Jordan have both suffered niggling knee injuries.
If Tuipolotu is down as well, that likely means Ah Koui starts and Finau comes into the reserves.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France III:
Love might get a start at fullback.
Flanker/lock Tupou Vaa'i failed his HIA after his head knock in the late stages of Saturday's Test, and lock Patrick Tuipulotu and fullback Will Jordan have both suffered niggling knee injuries.
If Tuipolotu is down as well, that likely means Ah Koui starts and Finau comes into the reserves.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France III:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France III:
Love might get a start at fullback.
Flanker/lock Tupou Vaa'i failed his HIA after his head knock in the late stages of Saturday's Test, and lock Patrick Tuipulotu and fullback Will Jordan have both suffered niggling knee injuries.
If Tuipolotu is down as well, that likely means Ah Koui starts and Finau comes into the reserves.
If Ah Kuoi is starting at lock I'd rather see Finau start at 6. At this stage they should bring another lock into the squad as cover.
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@reprobate On domestic form DMac has been the best 10 for the past 2 years. I don't get it.
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France III:
@reprobate On domestic form DMac has been the best 10 for the past 2 years. I don't get it.
Except when it mattered in the finals
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France III:
Finau at 6 and Jacobson at no.7 or 8 for me.
Good shout, I think I'd prefer Jacobsen at 7 and Savea at 8, simply because Ardie's more explosive on attack.
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France III:
@reprobate On domestic form DMac has been the best 10 for the past 2 years. I don't get it.
Except when it mattered in the finals
@Frank said in All Blacks v France III:
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v France III:
@reprobate On domestic form DMac has been the best 10 for the past 2 years. I don't get it.
Except when it mattered in the finals
You know who else wasn't the best in the finals? Tuipolotu, Vaai, Finau, Beauden Barrett, Jacobson, Roigard, Ratima, Taukeiaho, Proctor, Ioane, Narawa, Norris, Tosi, Kirifi.
And what about Holland, Savea, De Groot, Tavatavanawai, Jordie Barrett - not even good enough to make the finals!
Drop 'em all I say, cantablacks all the way. -
Looks like Love could be a good shout for some time in the 10 jersey on Saturday.
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Looks like Love could be a good shout for some time in the 10 jersey on Saturday.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France III:
Looks like Love could be a good shout for some time in the 10 jersey on Saturday.
You'd think that on account of where they played him in training but this seems a give away to me, the word order:
“To have him at his absolute best I think he’s either a 15 or a 10.”
But, we shall see!
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France III:
Looks like Love could be a good shout for some time in the 10 jersey on Saturday.
You'd think that on account of where they played him in training but this seems a give away to me, the word order:
“To have him at his absolute best I think he’s either a 15 or a 10.”
But, we shall see!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France III:
“To have him at his absolute best I think he’s either a 15 or a 10.”
That's stating the obvious. Also, I don't take what Holland says too seriously based on his selections at the Canes when he was coach.
If both Barrett and McKenzie go down, we really need to be developing a third ten to step in. I think Love is that guy, it's annoying that they don't just straight up say that instead of beating around the bush.
I really think they should give him minutes at 10 off the bench more so than 15.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France III:
“To have him at his absolute best I think he’s either a 15 or a 10.”
That's stating the obvious. Also, I don't take what Holland says too seriously based on his selections at the Canes when he was coach.
If both Barrett and McKenzie go down, we really need to be developing a third ten to step in. I think Love is that guy, it's annoying that they don't just straight up say that instead of beating around the bush.
I really think they should give him minutes at 10 off the bench more so than 15.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v France III:
If both Barrett and McKenzie go down, we really need to be developing a third ten to step in. I think Love is that guy, it's annoying that they don't just straight up say that instead of beating around the bush.
I really think they should give him minutes at 10 off the bench more so than 15.
I agree, we have 3-5 ABs at least who can easily play at the back, not so many at 10.
