All Blacks v France II
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If it’s
Williams, Taylor, Lomax - starting
EDG, ST, Newell - benchThen I think those trios have pretty good balance.
I’m still thinking 6/2 bench is something to be explored.
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@ACT-Crusader think I'd swap Newell/Lomax, just get a little bit more oomph on attack off the bench, with a bit more power in the tackle.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
@ACT-Crusader think I'd swap Newell/Lomax, just get a little bit more oomph on attack off the bench, with a bit more power in the tackle.
Yeah I was going to add, perhaps starting the Saders front row would be good from a combo also. But that might’ve been too predictable
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v France II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
@ACT-Crusader think I'd swap Newell/Lomax, just get a little bit more oomph on attack off the bench, with a bit more power in the tackle.
Yeah I was going to add, perhaps starting the Saders front row would be good from a combo also. But that might’ve been too predictable
Newell has shown some sweet hands as well, which could be useful unlocking space early on.
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@brodean said in All Blacks v France II:
For the movement in question where Beauden hits a ruck Tosi, Taukei'aho, Finau, and Kirifi all hit rucks in that movement. Savea and Norris do not.
All of the forwards apart from Vaa'i are lined up on one side of the ruck when Beauden switches play away from the forwards so the main reason why Beauden needs to attend that ruck is he switches play to a side of the field which has no forward support once Vaa'i is the carrier.
At some point of the game all 10's will need to hit a ruck - especially if its due to a play of their own making. This particular incident isn't evidence that Tosi and Norris don't hit enough rucks.
You’re right in that the Barrett and Jordan clean isn’t evidence, it’s more meant as an example. The evidence is that Newell and de Groot cleaned the attacking ruck at rates of 40 cleans/80min and 29 cleans/80min, while their replacements did so at a rate of 14.5 and 17 cleans per 80min respectively.
The example I just found interesting, because of how Norris had become removed so far from the play all of a sudden. I think if you compare the build-up between the Jordan-try in Dunedin and the Ioane-try in Wellington, and only focus on the positioning and actions of the props, I think the different patterns are quite noticeable.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France II:
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France II:
@reprobate Beauden Barrett must have got a YC for that, across his career for the Hurricanes, the Blues and the All Blacks, at least half a dozen times. I really wish he'd stop doing it.
Saved a try. Worth the yellow.
Is having your 10 in the bin worth saving 5 to 7 points given the 14 man team is more likely to concede points and far less likely to gain any? And is more tired than before (although perhaps this is minor if a back is carded?)
Little damage done: didn't we come out of that period on top?
Yes we played better when he left the field but my question is more regards general strategy than BB per se.
Sometimes it's worth it to concede a YC.
Never
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France II:
@reprobate Beauden Barrett must have got a YC for that, across his career for the Hurricanes, the Blues and the All Blacks, at least half a dozen times. I really wish he'd stop doing it.
Has he? I honestly can't remember any. Not saying he hasn't, but I certainly remember him getting 1, but not getting 6!
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@Dan54 Chat GTP makes it 4. But I seem to remember one with the Blues as well.
Beauden Barrett has been shown a yellow card eight times across his professional rugby career:
• Four yellow cards came during his international career with the All Blacks.
• Four more were received while playing Super Rugby for the Hurricanes. He hasn’t received any for the Blues yet. To break it down a bit further:
Team/Competition Yellow Cards
New Zealand All Blacks (tests) 4
Hurricanes (Super Rugby) 4
Blues (Super Rugby) 0His first yellow came in 2013 during the Rugby Championship, and the most recent was against England during the 2022 Autumn Internationals   . Additionally, he also received a yellow as recently as July 12, 2025, for an illegal knock-on against France in Wellington .
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Beauden Barrett has received four yellow cards specifically for deliberate knock-ons during his career:
1. Super Rugby (Hurricanes vs. Waratahs, April 2017)
He picked up two yellows in the same game for deliberate knock-downs, which led to a red card as they accumulated .
2. International Test (All Blacks vs. Wales, Autumn 2021)
Barrett was sin‑binned for a one‑handed knock-on during a breakaway attempt .
3. Test Match (All Blacks vs. France, July 12, 2025)
He was shown a yellow for an “illegally knocked the ball down” block on what looked like a French try-bound pass .So in summary:
• 2 yellows (Waratahs, 2017)
• 1 yellow (Wales, 2021)
• 1 yellow (France, 2025)
Total deliberate knock-on yellows: 4 -
@sparky said in All Blacks v France II:
Seriously, who cares if the French decided not to stick around for the trophy presentation?
Not something we would do, but honestly not a very big deal if the opposition wanted to get back to the dressing room and start their preparations for Test 3.
Add another to the french list of disrespect.
France held this trophy for 4 years. Probably the longest period they ever have held it, does it really mean nothing to them or does the opposition mean nothing to them?
And you dont start preparations for test 3 once you get back to the sheds after test 2 mate.
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@DaGrubster Sportsmanship means different things in different societies, especially in this commercial era, although I've found one universal in great Rugby heartlands is superb hospitality, very much including the south of France.
I'm relaxed about the French making their own decisions about what Rugby values means to them rather than demanding they follow our protocols. Hopefully, next Saturday will be a competitive test match with no hint of it being a dead rubber.
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I didn't worry (or even know they left) but I must admit I was a little pissed of with the non players and management. When game was finished and we were starting to leave the stand I got knocked out of way from behind, as we were starting to go down the stairs. Was the above mentioned heading down to dresiing room or ground. I could understand they wanted to be down on field (I thought) and shrugged shoulders, but was the fact I didn't hear an apology, or even see one look at anyone and nod etc as they passed just struck me as somewhat rude.
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@Mauss said in All Blacks v France II:
You’re right in that the Barrett and Jordan clean isn’t evidence, it’s more meant as an example. The evidence is that Newell and de Groot cleaned the attacking ruck at rates of 40 cleans/80min and 29 cleans/80min, while their replacements did so at a rate of 14.5 and 17 cleans per 80min respectively.
Yes the rate doesn't take into account the fact we dominated possession in the first half while the French came back in the second half and dominated possession. Potentially the sample is too small to extrapolate anything. Please see my earlier response which posts the ruck attendance stats over the course of the SRP season.
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@brodean How does that compare with all other players? We haven't done well against these teams in the 20s, so imagine there not a lot of good win stats for players. I actually thought RMo started most of the tests at 10 between 2020 and 2023, but perhaps I missed BB starting a few games against Boks?
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
I'm confused, I thought Rassie is the devil. Is it Fabien now?
Pretty dick move though.
I don't think Rassie would ever make a bitch move like that
I think you think wrong.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
I'm confused, I thought Rassie is the devil. Is it Fabien now?
Pretty dick move though.
I don't think Rassie would ever make a bitch move like that
I think you think wrong.
He wouldn't think twice about pushing to the line, or even crossing the line to get an edge on the field. But he'd be in the sheds having a beer after. Skipping the trophy presentation is a bitch move down there with the Welsh making the ABs do the haka in the change rooms before the match
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
I'm confused, I thought Rassie is the devil. Is it Fabien now?
Pretty dick move though.
I don't think Rassie would ever make a bitch move like that
I think you think wrong.
He wouldn't think twice about pushing to the line, or even crossing the line to get an edge on the field. But he'd be in the sheds having a beer after. Skipping the trophy presentation is a bitch move down there with the Welsh making the ABs do the haka in the change rooms before the match
I would need a heck of a lot of convincing before I could believe a word of that.
