All Blacks v France II
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@Mauss said in All Blacks v France II:
You’re right in that the Barrett and Jordan clean isn’t evidence, it’s more meant as an example. The evidence is that Newell and de Groot cleaned the attacking ruck at rates of 40 cleans/80min and 29 cleans/80min, while their replacements did so at a rate of 14.5 and 17 cleans per 80min respectively.
Yes the rate doesn't take into account the fact we dominated possession in the first half while the French came back in the second half and dominated possession. Potentially the sample is too small to extrapolate anything. Please see my earlier response which posts the ruck attendance stats over the course of the SRP season.
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@brodean How does that compare with all other players? We haven't done well against these teams in the 20s, so imagine there not a lot of good win stats for players. I actually thought RMo started most of the tests at 10 between 2020 and 2023, but perhaps I missed BB starting a few games against Boks?
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
I'm confused, I thought Rassie is the devil. Is it Fabien now?
Pretty dick move though.
I don't think Rassie would ever make a bitch move like that
I think you think wrong.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
I'm confused, I thought Rassie is the devil. Is it Fabien now?
Pretty dick move though.
I don't think Rassie would ever make a bitch move like that
I think you think wrong.
He wouldn't think twice about pushing to the line, or even crossing the line to get an edge on the field. But he'd be in the sheds having a beer after. Skipping the trophy presentation is a bitch move down there with the Welsh making the ABs do the haka in the change rooms before the match
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France II:
@Bones said in All Blacks v France II:
I'm confused, I thought Rassie is the devil. Is it Fabien now?
Pretty dick move though.
I don't think Rassie would ever make a bitch move like that
I think you think wrong.
He wouldn't think twice about pushing to the line, or even crossing the line to get an edge on the field. But he'd be in the sheds having a beer after. Skipping the trophy presentation is a bitch move down there with the Welsh making the ABs do the haka in the change rooms before the match
I would need a heck of a lot of convincing before I could believe a word of that.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v France II:
Skipping the trophy presentation is a bitch move down there with the Welsh making the ABs do the haka in the change rooms before the match
Well that did curse the Welsh for 18 games...
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It's always fun reading match threads days after the fact.
While we are piling on BB, was he actually on the field when Taylor scored his try? I didn't see him from the TV footage.
If so, under what law was he allowed to take the conversion? I was quite looking forward to seeing Roigard have a kick.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v France II:
@DaGrubster Sportsmanship means different things in different societies, especially in this commercial era, although I've found one universal in great Rugby heartlands is superb hospitality, very much including the south of France.
I'm relaxed about the French making their own decisions about what Rugby values means to them rather than demanding they follow our protocols. Hopefully, next Saturday will be a competitive test match with no hint of it being a dead rubber.
Ask yourself if France were holding aloft the dave gallher trophy after winning the series, and we just sloped off to the sheds, i sm sure we would never hesr the end of it. -
@DaGrubster New Zealand Rugby is all about giving your all for 80 minutes, then applauding the opposition if they score more points than you at the end or celebrating the win. Lots of talk of our DNA these days, but that's our true DNA. So yes, I'd be furious if the All Blacks ever sloped off before a trophy ceremony.
And I'm quite prepared to hold our boys to a higher account than I do the French.
But what values the French regard as important is their business.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France II:
It's always fun reading match threads days after the fact.
While we are piling on BB, was he actually on the field when Taylor scored his try? I didn't see him from the TV footage.
If so, under what law was he allowed to take the conversion? I was quite looking forward to seeing Roigard have a kick.
I wondered that too Bovidae, BB's time wasn't on field and I half expected the ref to say you can't take kick. Had no idea if he could, but like you I wondered if it allowed.
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@Bovidae I don't think there's anything in the laws that stipulates who can take a kick. Provided his yellow card ended around the time the try was scored, it would've been fine.
Suspect Jordie Barrett would've just taken the kick in his absence, as he did a few minutes earlier.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France II:
Suspect Jordie Barrett would've just taken the kick in his absence, as he did a few minutes earlier.
Except he was also off for an HIA/blood bin.
BB got his YC at 18 mins and Taylor scored on 28 mins, so it was close. I reckon BB would have been waiting to get back on, and the next stoppage was the try. A little suss to me.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v France II:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v France II:
Suspect Jordie Barrett would've just taken the kick in his absence, as he did a few minutes earlier.
Except he was also off for an HIA/blood bin.
BB got his YC at 18 mins and Taylor scored on 28 mins, so it was close. I reckon BB would have been waiting to get back on, and the next stoppage was the try. A little suss to me.
Ah whoops, forgot that.
If the next stoppage was the try then it was entirely legitimate. A stoppage is a stoppage and you can make the change/bring the player back from the bin. Provided you still make your kick within the time allowed, no reason why it couldn't be a player coming back from the bin who's handed the tee.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v France II:
@brodean How does that compare with all other players? We haven't done well against these teams in the 20s, so imagine there not a lot of good win stats for players. I actually thought RMo started most of the tests at 10 between 2020 and 2023, but perhaps I missed BB starting a few games against Boks?
There's not a lot you can read into because as you say RMo started a lot of the tests at 10.
The main point is he doesn't have a solid archive of games where he guides us to wins against the best teams as a 10. I still believe his best role is as an impact player off the bench.
He's got two more wins than Love against the best teams in the twenties. I would like to see Love start at 10.
No matter who France put out its still an experimental development side. Love is good enough to compete against those guys.
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Beauden Barrett getting rissolled from teh 10 shirt by i assume Joe Schmidt was a huge part of why the ABs turned their form around halfway through that tour to South Africa and saved Fosters job. RMo wasn't even great, he was just better than BB, and that's all that was needed (RMo was pretty bloody good by the World Cup play offs though).
And here we are, 3 years later, he's restored to the shirt, playing just as shit as he was then, yet seemingly nailed on to start. It defies belief.
