Aussie Pro Rugby
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@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
@Damo I've watched quite a few on TV and been to one live.
The one thing that appears different on the face of it is that the speed of the game seems a little slower than Mitre 10 Cup.
I've not seen any Mitre 10 this year, so will go with this assessment.
The "why" of the speed difference is probably down to a lot of the players being from club land here. You can tell them at the back end of each half, sucking in the big ones.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
@Damo I've watched quite a few on TV and been to one live.
The one thing that appears different on the face of it is that the speed of the game seems a little slower than Mitre 10 Cup.
I've not seen any Mitre 10 this year, so will go with this assessment.
The "why" of the speed difference is probably down to a lot of the players being from club land here. You can tell them at the back end of each half, sucking in the big ones.
The vast majority of Mitre 10 Cup players are just club players. I think for a recent game Waikato had just 1 Super Rugby player.
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On that note: its no surprise that these initiatives originate in Western Sydney where a lot of rugby talent starts, but can't continue, due to these issues, and the ever-present shadow of loig.
As someone who has played, coached, and run a rugby club in Western Sydney, I can assure you its not tokenism. It is about community engagement and showing the ARU what they're missing out on by pandering just to the enclaves east of the M3
@Damo - would suggest your club comps are a bit faster-paced than ours. And probably more competitive overall. We have a couple of dominant clubs in Sydney, some that can pull off a win, and half the field unable to even get close.
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@Tanifulla said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
Apologies for getting on my soap box here but Pacific Island weekend? really?
They want to celebrate Pacific Islanders in the game when the majority of the people who want to play are generally excluded from playing because their parents cant afford to send them to a private school therefore excluding them from the coveted "Pathway to Gold"?
Gotta love a bit of tokenism!
The good ones when identified are generally provided scholarships
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@Tanifulla said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
you may not see as tokenism but as a Pacific Islander myself, it certainly reeks of it. dont get me wrong it's great that the ARU are acknowledging PI's but how much of these curtain raisers the initiative of the ARU and how much did they invest to get them going? From experience, it's usually the hard work and determination of individuals from these communities that get these things off the ground and running - at which the governing bodies seem to jump in and claim credit for it.
Also, for the kids that are offered scholarships to these exclusive schools? what happens to the others or the late developers? The issue with aussie rugby is its system is geared to the elite and discounts the contribution of the wider community. Also, have you read the drivel that mums and dads put up on G&GR complaining about these scholarships?
Is this really the ARU's fault? Surely they don't want to keep the game as private school only? They might not be good at it but I'm sure they want everyone to play rugby.
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Yesterday was a pretty big success - everyone at the Rams should get a pat on the back for a bit of community engagement. While it was a local derby (the "Country" Eagles are pretty much Uni, Randwick, and Easts) the turnout by the Pacific communities was solid.
Rams got out of the blocks with huge forward dominance (including a pushover try and a 20m maul) but the Eagles' backline was pretty much Super Rugby standard and got them into the lead. Rams took it back with ten to go, only to concede a late try and go behind 44-40. They got back to halfway after the siren but a ruck broke down and the Eagles took the minor premiership, the Horan-Little Shield, and the Benn Robinson Bell (new initiative from the NSWRU for the top placed NSW team).
Both of which I had to hand to Paddy Ryan (the fluffybunny) as GAGR's local authority.
After the game NSW Fiji took on NSW Tonga for the challenge cup that the Rams have been running in the background - couldn't stick around to watch, but here are the war cries:
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Fiji to join Australia's National Rugby Championship in 2017
Fiji will play in Australia's National Rugby Championship next year in a historic development for the talent-rich Pacific Island nation. Fijian Prime Minister Frank Bainimarama flew into Sydney on Thursday and will link up with Australian Rugby Union boss Bill Pulver to make the announcement at ARU headquarters on Friday. The plan, first reported last month by Fairfax Media, will see World Rugby fund the team to join the NRC from next season. It is a major coup for the ARU who, along with New Zealand, are often criticised for drawing players from the Pacific Islands but not giving much back in return. The All Blacks played a Test match against Manu Samoa in Apia last year, but inviting a team to join a domestic competition on an ongoing basis has the potential to do much more for a country such as Fiji, which has long been at the mercy of the lucrative rugby markets in Europe and closer to home. The announcement has been some months in the making, after Fiji coach John McKee approached the ARU's high performance manager Ben Whitaker, to discuss a way to improve the island nation's development pathway. World Rugby high performance general manager Peter Horne was also closely involved, as the global rugby body is the main source of funding for rugby in the Oceania region. In a pre-cursor to the big move, a handful of Fijian players joined the NRC this year, including sevens Olympic gold medallist Vatemo Ravouvou and Fiji Warriors star Cyril Reece.It is also likely that Fiji have aspirations to join Super Rugby, although no firm timeline or proposal is in place for such a plan, with the future structure of Super Rugby yet to be determined. Argentina's Pampas played in South Africa's equivalent domestic competition for three seasons before joining the Pacific Rugby Cup, where they played alongside teams from Fjii, Samoa, Tonga, Japan and Australian Super Rugby academies. are firmly established precedents. This season Argentina's Jaguares joined Super Rugby. Of all the rugby-playing Pacific Island nations, Fiji is the most natural fit for the NRC, given the large Fijian populations in Sydney and on Brisbane's outskirts. -
Fiji to join Australia's National Rugby Championship in 2017
Fiji will play in Australia's National Rugby Championship next year in a historic development for the talent-rich Pacific Island nation. Fijian Prime Minister Frank Bainimarama flew into Sydney on Thursday and will link up with Australian Rugby Union boss Bill Pulver to make the announcement at ARU headquarters on Friday. The plan, first reported last month by Fairfax Media, will see World Rugby fund the team to join the NRC from next season. It is a major coup for the ARU who, along with New Zealand, are often criticised for drawing players from the Pacific Islands but not giving much back in return. The All Blacks played a Test match against Manu Samoa in Apia last year, but inviting a team to join a domestic competition on an ongoing basis has the potential to do much more for a country such as Fiji, which has long been at the mercy of the lucrative rugby markets in Europe and closer to home. The announcement has been some months in the making, after Fiji coach John McKee approached the ARU's high performance manager Ben Whitaker, to discuss a way to improve the island nation's development pathway. World Rugby high performance general manager Peter Horne was also closely involved, as the global rugby body is the main source of funding for rugby in the Oceania region. In a pre-cursor to the big move, a handful of Fijian players joined the NRC this year, including sevens Olympic gold medallist Vatemo Ravouvou and Fiji Warriors star Cyril Reece.It is also likely that Fiji have aspirations to join Super Rugby, although no firm timeline or proposal is in place for such a plan, with the future structure of Super Rugby yet to be determined. Argentina's Pampas played in South Africa's equivalent domestic competition for three seasons before joining the Pacific Rugby Cup, where they played alongside teams from Fjii, Samoa, Tonga, Japan and Australian Super Rugby academies. are firmly established precedents. This season Argentina's Jaguares joined Super Rugby. Of all the rugby-playing Pacific Island nations, Fiji is the most natural fit for the NRC, given the large Fijian populations in Sydney and on Brisbane's outskirts.@Stargazer You can see why Pulver doesn't want these players waiting five years to play for the Wallabies.
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@Stargazer You can see why Pulver doesn't want these players waiting five years to play for the Wallabies.
@antipodean Yes! I wonder whether players of this new Fijian NRC team will have a clause in their contract that stipulates that they can't play for Australia/must be available to play for Fiji, or that the time played for this team doesn't count towards the required 3 year residency period. Or something along that line ...
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The comp only runs for a couple of months - with Fiji included, will be 9 teams, so 8 rounds + finals.
Wonder where they'll be based?
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
The comp only runs for a couple of months - with Fiji included, will be 9 teams, so 8 rounds + finals.
Wonder where they'll be based?
If they base them out of Sydney, in the southwest area around Canterbury seems to have a good Fijian community.
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both good and bad for Fiji me thnks
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
The comp only runs for a couple of months - with Fiji included, will be 9 teams, so 8 rounds + finals.
Wonder where they'll be based?
If they base them out of Sydney, in the southwest area around Canterbury seems to have a good Fijian community.
@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
The comp only runs for a couple of months - with Fiji included, will be 9 teams, so 8 rounds + finals.
Wonder where they'll be based?
If they base them out of Sydney, in the southwest area around Canterbury seems to have a good Fijian community.
According to this:
The island nation will play all of their home matches in Fiji and host each of the eight Australia teams over two years.
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Perth Spirit (who beat Sydney Rays in their semi) win the Grand Final 20-16 ahead of minor premiers and Shield holders, NSW Country Eagles.
Tense match by the looks, took a while to get going from all reports, and Country finished strong.
That's the comp over for another year. Probably the best one so far. Hope it survives the political bullshit moving forward, because I think its a real value-add in terms of talent identification.
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On the bright side it looks like Australian rugby will have not one, but two championships. That's certainly one way to address decades of not having a Currie Cup or NPC.
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On the bright side it looks like Australian rugby will have not one, but two championships. That's certainly one way to address decades of not having a Currie Cup or NPC.
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
On the bright side it looks like Australian rugby will have not one, but two championships. That's certainly one way to address decades of not having a Currie Cup or NPC.
You mean this supposed breakaway group of the top 4 clubs in Sydney and Brisbane?
I saw that and thought "You're screaming that the ARU gives you no money, yet you have money for your own competition?"
Good luck to them. Once those clubs are out of the reservation, more money can be put into bringing the game west of the M3.
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On that note: its no surprise that these initiatives originate in Western Sydney where a lot of rugby talent starts, but can't continue, due to these issues, and the ever-present shadow of loig.
As someone who has played, coached, and run a rugby club in Western Sydney, I can assure you its not tokenism. It is about community engagement and showing the ARU what they're missing out on by pandering just to the enclaves east of the M3
@Damo - would suggest your club comps are a bit faster-paced than ours. And probably more competitive overall. We have a couple of dominant clubs in Sydney, some that can pull off a win, and half the field unable to even get close.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
On that note: its no surprise that these initiatives originate in Western Sydney where a lot of rugby talent starts, but can't continue, due to these issues, and the ever-present shadow of loig.
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What, pray, is the "shadow of loig"?
