Aussie Pro Rugby
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Yesterday was a pretty big success - everyone at the Rams should get a pat on the back for a bit of community engagement. While it was a local derby (the "Country" Eagles are pretty much Uni, Randwick, and Easts) the turnout by the Pacific communities was solid.
Rams got out of the blocks with huge forward dominance (including a pushover try and a 20m maul) but the Eagles' backline was pretty much Super Rugby standard and got them into the lead. Rams took it back with ten to go, only to concede a late try and go behind 44-40. They got back to halfway after the siren but a ruck broke down and the Eagles took the minor premiership, the Horan-Little Shield, and the Benn Robinson Bell (new initiative from the NSWRU for the top placed NSW team).
Both of which I had to hand to Paddy Ryan (the fluffybunny) as GAGR's local authority.
After the game NSW Fiji took on NSW Tonga for the challenge cup that the Rams have been running in the background - couldn't stick around to watch, but here are the war cries:
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Fiji to join Australia's National Rugby Championship in 2017
Fiji will play in Australia's National Rugby Championship next year in a historic development for the talent-rich Pacific Island nation. Fijian Prime Minister Frank Bainimarama flew into Sydney on Thursday and will link up with Australian Rugby Union boss Bill Pulver to make the announcement at ARU headquarters on Friday. The plan, first reported last month by Fairfax Media, will see World Rugby fund the team to join the NRC from next season. It is a major coup for the ARU who, along with New Zealand, are often criticised for drawing players from the Pacific Islands but not giving much back in return. The All Blacks played a Test match against Manu Samoa in Apia last year, but inviting a team to join a domestic competition on an ongoing basis has the potential to do much more for a country such as Fiji, which has long been at the mercy of the lucrative rugby markets in Europe and closer to home. The announcement has been some months in the making, after Fiji coach John McKee approached the ARU's high performance manager Ben Whitaker, to discuss a way to improve the island nation's development pathway. World Rugby high performance general manager Peter Horne was also closely involved, as the global rugby body is the main source of funding for rugby in the Oceania region. In a pre-cursor to the big move, a handful of Fijian players joined the NRC this year, including sevens Olympic gold medallist Vatemo Ravouvou and Fiji Warriors star Cyril Reece.It is also likely that Fiji have aspirations to join Super Rugby, although no firm timeline or proposal is in place for such a plan, with the future structure of Super Rugby yet to be determined. Argentina's Pampas played in South Africa's equivalent domestic competition for three seasons before joining the Pacific Rugby Cup, where they played alongside teams from Fjii, Samoa, Tonga, Japan and Australian Super Rugby academies. are firmly established precedents. This season Argentina's Jaguares joined Super Rugby. Of all the rugby-playing Pacific Island nations, Fiji is the most natural fit for the NRC, given the large Fijian populations in Sydney and on Brisbane's outskirts. -
Fiji to join Australia's National Rugby Championship in 2017
Fiji will play in Australia's National Rugby Championship next year in a historic development for the talent-rich Pacific Island nation. Fijian Prime Minister Frank Bainimarama flew into Sydney on Thursday and will link up with Australian Rugby Union boss Bill Pulver to make the announcement at ARU headquarters on Friday. The plan, first reported last month by Fairfax Media, will see World Rugby fund the team to join the NRC from next season. It is a major coup for the ARU who, along with New Zealand, are often criticised for drawing players from the Pacific Islands but not giving much back in return. The All Blacks played a Test match against Manu Samoa in Apia last year, but inviting a team to join a domestic competition on an ongoing basis has the potential to do much more for a country such as Fiji, which has long been at the mercy of the lucrative rugby markets in Europe and closer to home. The announcement has been some months in the making, after Fiji coach John McKee approached the ARU's high performance manager Ben Whitaker, to discuss a way to improve the island nation's development pathway. World Rugby high performance general manager Peter Horne was also closely involved, as the global rugby body is the main source of funding for rugby in the Oceania region. In a pre-cursor to the big move, a handful of Fijian players joined the NRC this year, including sevens Olympic gold medallist Vatemo Ravouvou and Fiji Warriors star Cyril Reece.It is also likely that Fiji have aspirations to join Super Rugby, although no firm timeline or proposal is in place for such a plan, with the future structure of Super Rugby yet to be determined. Argentina's Pampas played in South Africa's equivalent domestic competition for three seasons before joining the Pacific Rugby Cup, where they played alongside teams from Fjii, Samoa, Tonga, Japan and Australian Super Rugby academies. are firmly established precedents. This season Argentina's Jaguares joined Super Rugby. Of all the rugby-playing Pacific Island nations, Fiji is the most natural fit for the NRC, given the large Fijian populations in Sydney and on Brisbane's outskirts.@Stargazer You can see why Pulver doesn't want these players waiting five years to play for the Wallabies.
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@Stargazer You can see why Pulver doesn't want these players waiting five years to play for the Wallabies.
@antipodean Yes! I wonder whether players of this new Fijian NRC team will have a clause in their contract that stipulates that they can't play for Australia/must be available to play for Fiji, or that the time played for this team doesn't count towards the required 3 year residency period. Or something along that line ...
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The comp only runs for a couple of months - with Fiji included, will be 9 teams, so 8 rounds + finals.
Wonder where they'll be based?
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
The comp only runs for a couple of months - with Fiji included, will be 9 teams, so 8 rounds + finals.
Wonder where they'll be based?
If they base them out of Sydney, in the southwest area around Canterbury seems to have a good Fijian community.
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both good and bad for Fiji me thnks
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
The comp only runs for a couple of months - with Fiji included, will be 9 teams, so 8 rounds + finals.
Wonder where they'll be based?
If they base them out of Sydney, in the southwest area around Canterbury seems to have a good Fijian community.
@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
The comp only runs for a couple of months - with Fiji included, will be 9 teams, so 8 rounds + finals.
Wonder where they'll be based?
If they base them out of Sydney, in the southwest area around Canterbury seems to have a good Fijian community.
According to this:
The island nation will play all of their home matches in Fiji and host each of the eight Australia teams over two years.
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Perth Spirit (who beat Sydney Rays in their semi) win the Grand Final 20-16 ahead of minor premiers and Shield holders, NSW Country Eagles.
Tense match by the looks, took a while to get going from all reports, and Country finished strong.
That's the comp over for another year. Probably the best one so far. Hope it survives the political bullshit moving forward, because I think its a real value-add in terms of talent identification.
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On the bright side it looks like Australian rugby will have not one, but two championships. That's certainly one way to address decades of not having a Currie Cup or NPC.
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On the bright side it looks like Australian rugby will have not one, but two championships. That's certainly one way to address decades of not having a Currie Cup or NPC.
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
On the bright side it looks like Australian rugby will have not one, but two championships. That's certainly one way to address decades of not having a Currie Cup or NPC.
You mean this supposed breakaway group of the top 4 clubs in Sydney and Brisbane?
I saw that and thought "You're screaming that the ARU gives you no money, yet you have money for your own competition?"
Good luck to them. Once those clubs are out of the reservation, more money can be put into bringing the game west of the M3.
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On that note: its no surprise that these initiatives originate in Western Sydney where a lot of rugby talent starts, but can't continue, due to these issues, and the ever-present shadow of loig.
As someone who has played, coached, and run a rugby club in Western Sydney, I can assure you its not tokenism. It is about community engagement and showing the ARU what they're missing out on by pandering just to the enclaves east of the M3
@Damo - would suggest your club comps are a bit faster-paced than ours. And probably more competitive overall. We have a couple of dominant clubs in Sydney, some that can pull off a win, and half the field unable to even get close.
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby in general - but NRC:
On that note: its no surprise that these initiatives originate in Western Sydney where a lot of rugby talent starts, but can't continue, due to these issues, and the ever-present shadow of loig.
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What, pray, is the "shadow of loig"?
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Perth Spirit (who beat Sydney Rays in their semi) win the Grand Final 20-16 ahead of minor premiers and Shield holders, NSW Country Eagles.
Tense match by the looks, took a while to get going from all reports, and Country finished strong.
That's the comp over for another year. Probably the best one so far. Hope it survives the political bullshit moving forward, because I think its a real value-add in terms of talent identification.
@NTA definitely the best quality competition thus far IMO.
Final was enjoyable and was definitely a lift in intensity from last year.
What will be interesting now is who is selected for next years Super rugby. The consistent filter of players getting their opportunity from the NRC into Super rugby will only improve the quality long term.
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@NTA definitely the best quality competition thus far IMO.
Final was enjoyable and was definitely a lift in intensity from last year.
What will be interesting now is who is selected for next years Super rugby. The consistent filter of players getting their opportunity from the NRC into Super rugby will only improve the quality long term.
@ACT-Crusader well, Papworth and Poidevin would disagree with us
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this is Aussie rugby in general. clowns.
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[edit] Split from http://www.thesilverfern.com/topic/1435/crusaders-vs-waratahs/ [/edit]
First comments - and all from the northern end of the ground where I was sitting with @dK and Red Beard.
Looked like decent game of rugby. Tahs weren't complete retards, even looked good at points. Jake Gordon is a good 9 and could be great.
Our defensive structure lacks proper cover. Cam Clark was caught out of position a few times, particularly that long kick that put us under pressure toward the end. But the blindside wing was too often not there, or the second last man didn't trust enough. Bench didn't add much either.
Superior ball skills by the Crusaders to finish those tries separated the teams, mostly.
Crowd was decent - anyone got a figure?
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@taniwharugby @Stargazer sorry to say lads, but Australian rugby is not going to get much stronger the way things are.
The basic question posed to me by my guests after the game: does dropping teams improve things for Aussie rugby?
No. Not really. The player pathway is too narrow. 4 separate schools comps in Sydney alone, some of which want nothing to do with the others. Each is a tiny little pissing contest in the bigger scheme of things. Some years a school is dominant on the back of a couple of good players, some years others. It all points to a lack of continuity and aspiration to build good rugby programs.
Politics gets kids into rep squads, and on to greater things. League scoop a few up. The old school ties are just happy to lord it up over other school ties when their alma mater wins. Pretty sure I've said all this before.
Basic skills don't develop in these environments. Grassroots is a disjointed mess where clubs work their arse off to get little tackers involved, then maybe lose half of what's left to schools when they hit their teens. The competitions for juniors are split up everywhere to make things
interestingeasier for parents, but then some age groups are poorly represented in a given region.Around my area the local soccer clubs have over 800 registered players across age groups and into masters. I've got 20 juniors in U6 and U7, and 30 registered seniors so far (three weeks out from season). Maybe I'll get to 60 seniors this year, if they all flood back after trials.
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The pathway for coaches is even worse. Look at our teams right now:
Waratahs: Kiwi ex-Test player in his first head coaching gig
Brumbies: Aussie ex-Test player in his first head coaching gig
Reds: Aussie ex-Test player in his first head coaching gig
Rebels: Aussie club coach in his first head coaching gig
Force: South African coach in his first head coaching gigYou can't blame everything on the coaches of course, but experience is fairly good to have in such positions. Gibson had some shit to deal with tonight in terms of rookies at 10 and 15, but the bulk of the team should have been good enough to make that a contest.
The last-man defence is Nathan Grey's area, and for a guy with a reputation as a defensive coach, he's not delivering.
