All Blacks 2025
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I just don't get why an incredibly average, overseas-based, 31yr-old 10 at the fag-end of his career is considered key to the AB's success by the national coach
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I just don't get why an incredibly average, overseas-based, 31yr-old 10 at the fag-end of his career is considered key to the AB's success by the national coach
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@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
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@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
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@Victor-Meldrew also shows a lack of trust in BB, DMac and any other 10s running around NZ.
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@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
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Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
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An update on Perofeta. For the last year he's had a calf injury that keeps coming back. Expects to be playing in round 3 or 4 of the NPC
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@Victor-Meldrew also shows a lack of trust in BB, DMac and any other 10s running around NZ.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew also shows a lack of trust in BB, DMac and any other 10s running around NZ.
Sort of echoes the sentiment on here though doesn't it? Very few have faith in BB, and opinions on DMac run hot and cold.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
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Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
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Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
Really? I think you can maximise what you have. Jordie looked dynamite playing up north with a different coaching regime. I think our 10s could easily be doing the job needed, but I am not convinced the coaching has been good as Super or Test level for some time.
BB's chips are tolerated by coaches. It is extraordinary. I think it's more that we don't realistically know what we want from a 10, so we don't pick a person and keep them there.
I am also very cautious about RMo coming back and thriving at Test level. He plays like Kyler Murray, and once the electric acceleration goes things will get even harder for him at Test level.
So much fo this is that structurally we tolerate 10s in NZR with noodles for legs. We just don't value kickers.
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@Victor-Meldrew also shows a lack of trust in BB, DMac and any other 10s running around NZ.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew also shows a lack of trust in BB, DMac and any other 10s running around NZ.
I really like Robertson's approach this year on new-ish players/positions - it's refreshing after last year's conservative but often chaotic approach.
Just don't get waht appears to be an obsession with Mo'unga
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew also shows a lack of trust in BB, DMac and any other 10s running around NZ.
I really like Robertson's approach this year on new-ish players/positions - it's refreshing after last year's conservative but often chaotic approach.
Just don't get waht appears to be an obsession with Mo'unga
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew also shows a lack of trust in BB, DMac and any other 10s running around NZ.
I really like Robertson's approach this year on new-ish players/positions - it's refreshing after last year's conservative but often chaotic approach.
Just don't get waht appears to be an obsession with Mo'unga
France B was a good opportunity to try Love, Reihana or JB at 10.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew also shows a lack of trust in BB, DMac and any other 10s running around NZ.
Sort of echoes the sentiment on here though doesn't it? Very few have faith in BB, and opinions on DMac run hot and cold.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew also shows a lack of trust in BB, DMac and any other 10s running around NZ.
Sort of echoes the sentiment on here though doesn't it? Very few have faith in BB, and opinions on DMac run hot and cold.
yet the same astute observers have similar concerns with RM at AB level too... :man_shrugging:
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
.
Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
.
Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
Robinson has plenty of time. He should chance his arm like he has done with Vaa'i and Proctor.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
.
Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
Really? I think you can maximise what you have. Jordie looked dynamite playing up north with a different coaching regime. I think our 10s could easily be doing the job needed, but I am not convinced the coaching has been good as Super or Test level for some time.
BB's chips are tolerated by coaches. It is extraordinary. I think it's more that we don't realistically know what we want from a 10, so we don't pick a person and keep them there.
I am also very cautious about RMo coming back and thriving at Test level. He plays like Kyler Murray, and once the electric acceleration goes things will get even harder for him at Test level.
So much fo this is that structurally we tolerate 10s in NZR with noodles for legs. We just don't value kickers.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
.
Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
Really? I think you can maximise what you have. Jordie looked dynamite playing up north with a different coaching regime. I think our 10s could easily be doing the job needed, but I am not convinced the coaching has been good as Super or Test level for some time.
BB's chips are tolerated by coaches. It is extraordinary. I think it's more that we don't realistically know what we want from a 10, so we don't pick a person and keep them there.
I am also very cautious about RMo coming back and thriving at Test level. He plays like Kyler Murray, and once the electric acceleration goes things will get even harder for him at Test level.
So much fo this is that structurally we tolerate 10s in NZR with noodles for legs. We just don't value kickers.
I couldn't give a shit whether RM comes back, but I think you make a good point. We seem to have an identity crisis at 10. The solid role playing 10 is well out of fashion in NZ and we are losing those type of players overseas. As an example, I think Burke was a recent loss who was just starting to come good.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew also shows a lack of trust in BB, DMac and any other 10s running around NZ.
Sort of echoes the sentiment on here though doesn't it? Very few have faith in BB, and opinions on DMac run hot and cold.
yet the same astute observers have similar concerns with RM at AB level too... :man_shrugging:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew also shows a lack of trust in BB, DMac and any other 10s running around NZ.
Sort of echoes the sentiment on here though doesn't it? Very few have faith in BB, and opinions on DMac run hot and cold.
yet the same astute observers have similar concerns with RM at AB level too... :man_shrugging:
Agree.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
.
Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
Really? I think you can maximise what you have. Jordie looked dynamite playing up north with a different coaching regime. I think our 10s could easily be doing the job needed, but I am not convinced the coaching has been good as Super or Test level for some time.
BB's chips are tolerated by coaches. It is extraordinary. I think it's more that we don't realistically know what we want from a 10, so we don't pick a person and keep them there.
I am also very cautious about RMo coming back and thriving at Test level. He plays like Kyler Murray, and once the electric acceleration goes things will get even harder for him at Test level.
So much fo this is that structurally we tolerate 10s in NZR with noodles for legs. We just don't value kickers.
I couldn't give a shit whether RM comes back, but I think you make a good point. We seem to have an identity crisis at 10. The solid role playing 10 is well out of fashion in NZ and we are losing those type of players overseas. As an example, I think Burke was a recent loss who was just starting to come good.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
.
Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
Really? I think you can maximise what you have. Jordie looked dynamite playing up north with a different coaching regime. I think our 10s could easily be doing the job needed, but I am not convinced the coaching has been good as Super or Test level for some time.
BB's chips are tolerated by coaches. It is extraordinary. I think it's more that we don't realistically know what we want from a 10, so we don't pick a person and keep them there.
I am also very cautious about RMo coming back and thriving at Test level. He plays like Kyler Murray, and once the electric acceleration goes things will get even harder for him at Test level.
So much fo this is that structurally we tolerate 10s in NZR with noodles for legs. We just don't value kickers.
I couldn't give a shit whether RM comes back, but I think you make a good point. We seem to have an identity crisis at 10. The solid role playing 10 is well out of fashion in NZ and we are losing those type of players overseas. As an example, I think Burke was a recent loss who was just starting to come good.
Harry Plummer
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
.
Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
Really? I think you can maximise what you have. Jordie looked dynamite playing up north with a different coaching regime. I think our 10s could easily be doing the job needed, but I am not convinced the coaching has been good as Super or Test level for some time.
BB's chips are tolerated by coaches. It is extraordinary. I think it's more that we don't realistically know what we want from a 10, so we don't pick a person and keep them there.
I am also very cautious about RMo coming back and thriving at Test level. He plays like Kyler Murray, and once the electric acceleration goes things will get even harder for him at Test level.
So much fo this is that structurally we tolerate 10s in NZR with noodles for legs. We just don't value kickers.
I couldn't give a shit whether RM comes back, but I think you make a good point. We seem to have an identity crisis at 10. The solid role playing 10 is well out of fashion in NZ and we are losing those type of players overseas. As an example, I think Burke was a recent loss who was just starting to come good.
Harry Plummer
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
.
Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
Really? I think you can maximise what you have. Jordie looked dynamite playing up north with a different coaching regime. I think our 10s could easily be doing the job needed, but I am not convinced the coaching has been good as Super or Test level for some time.
BB's chips are tolerated by coaches. It is extraordinary. I think it's more that we don't realistically know what we want from a 10, so we don't pick a person and keep them there.
I am also very cautious about RMo coming back and thriving at Test level. He plays like Kyler Murray, and once the electric acceleration goes things will get even harder for him at Test level.
So much fo this is that structurally we tolerate 10s in NZR with noodles for legs. We just don't value kickers.
I couldn't give a shit whether RM comes back, but I think you make a good point. We seem to have an identity crisis at 10. The solid role playing 10 is well out of fashion in NZ and we are losing those type of players overseas. As an example, I think Burke was a recent loss who was just starting to come good.
Harry Plummer
Yes, another one that would have been good to keep hold of. Jeez we could even say Gatland could be useful at the moment. The problem is, a lot of these guys don't even get a regular Super gig because coaches are looking for something different.
It wouldn't surprise me if Reihana makes way at the Saders for the young fella who got injured during the season. The young fella showed more of a running game and that seems to be valued.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chuck72 said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew Because the rest of our 10's aren't much different/better?
Then move on and actually, you know, develop players who are going to be around in more than a couple of years
Isn't leaving the jersey in a better place an AB thing?
.
Unfortunately at this stage trying to develop a 10 other than DMac and BB is a little like trying to polish a turd. We really need that to change.
Really? I think you can maximise what you have. Jordie looked dynamite playing up north with a different coaching regime. I think our 10s could easily be doing the job needed, but I am not convinced the coaching has been good as Super or Test level for some time.
BB's chips are tolerated by coaches. It is extraordinary. I think it's more that we don't realistically know what we want from a 10, so we don't pick a person and keep them there.
I am also very cautious about RMo coming back and thriving at Test level. He plays like Kyler Murray, and once the electric acceleration goes things will get even harder for him at Test level.
So much fo this is that structurally we tolerate 10s in NZR with noodles for legs. We just don't value kickers.
I couldn't give a shit whether RM comes back, but I think you make a good point. We seem to have an identity crisis at 10. The solid role playing 10 is well out of fashion in NZ and we are losing those type of players overseas. As an example, I think Burke was a recent loss who was just starting to come good.
Harry Plummer
Yes, another one that would have been good to keep hold of. Jeez we could even say Gatland could be useful at the moment. The problem is, a lot of these guys don't even get a regular Super gig because coaches are looking for something different.
It wouldn't surprise me if Reihana makes way at the Saders for the young fella who got injured during the season. The young fella showed more of a running game and that seems to be valued.
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2025:
The problem is, a lot of these guys don't even get a regular Super gig because coaches are looking for something different.
it's the obsession with X FACTOR BABY YEAH
and the end result of that is your loose forward captain doing a chip on their own goal line.
