All Blacks 2025
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Damian shouldn’t have turned down that R360 deal
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If Razor throws Mo’unga the keys and he doesn’t help us deliver another WC title, Razor can pack his bags in my view. He can live and die by the ‘Crusader’ sword with this move.
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cant say i like the whole idea if swooping back in just for a RWC
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
cant say i like the whole idea if swooping back in just for a RWC
Today's episode is brought to you by the letter M, m is for mercenary
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What a terrible precedent for a very average player. I wouldn't even have wanted a mercenary deal like this for Carter, and Ritchie is no Dan Carter.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2025:
What a terrible precedent for a very average player. I wouldn't even have wanted a mercenary deal like this for Carter, and Ritchie is no Dan Carter.
Feels more like the Lucky Lucre deal. Acid will be on Richie and Razor for this to work
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and are we going to be developing a gameplan that might not work right now....but will 100% click when RM slots back in?
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in all honesty he plays the same as the 2 guys we have now so it shouldn't be an issue.
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in all honesty he plays the same as the 2 guys we have now so it shouldn't be an issue.
@mariner4life fair....definitely worth splashing the cash on then
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
cant say i like the whole idea if swooping back in just for a RWC
Today's episode is brought to you by the letter M, m is for mercenary
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
cant say i like the whole idea if swooping back in just for a RWC
Today's episode is brought to you by the letter M, m is for mercenary
feels so much worse because we believe/know they tried t get him back this year and he said no...thats should have been the end
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@Kiwiwomble Explains why Ruben Love, Harry Plummer and Rivez Reihana have been given basically no game time between them at 10 for the ABs.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kiwiwomble Explains why Ruben Love, Harry Plummer and Rivez Reihana have been given basically no game time between at 10 for the ABs.
It was already getting frustrating seeing emerging talent ignored but now seemingly planing on putting up with Barrett for another eighteen months, then putting all their eggs in the Mo’unga basket for 2027 is incredibly foolish.
Robertson, despite the talk, hasn’t worked out that Super Rugby and test match rugby are different and thinks the key to winning a World Cup is just having the same personal that won his Super Rugby titles.
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I'm far from delighted about this deal.
Watching two World Cup failures where we built the team around Richie Mo'unga was depressing enough. His limitations were ruthlessly exposed by England in Yokohama in 2019 and the Springboks in Paris in 2023. I doubt he's learned to manage limited time on the ball against an extremely organised rushed defence since.
I do not wish to see us lose a third World Cup because of Richie Mo'unga's average game management skills.
If he really is our best First Five and worth all the money NZR is throwing at him, then why aren't we making him available for the five-week tour of South Africa next year?
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It just reeks of desperation. We go through a tough spell and our HEAD COACH starts tying himself & NZR in knots trying to get a player back who obviously wasnt invested enough in the black jersey to stick around and build for another world cup. He gets to go off and have fun time in Japan, we toil away, take a few tough losses and develop some young players (albeit not at 10, which HAS to be intentional). And he gets to swoop back in just before the world cup and be treated as some savior? If he comes back and wins us a world cup, yup fair enough thats some story, but in the case this backfires, it has to be one of the weakest displays of tunnel vision and blind faith NZ rugby has ever seen, Richie has razor and the union wrapped around his little finger
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What Razor should have done is kept quiet all along and had NZR negotiating for his return, if he hadn't made a song and dance about wanting him back or.being able to select him while overseas, this would be the run of the mill former AB returning to NZ...then if proven good enough, selected.
Instead, it looks like Razor has.pursued RM, encumbants BB and DM both no doubt thinking wtf, then as per the saders thread, Reihana and Kemara guide the saders to a title but are they also jersey warming, or is Penney likely to be his own man if he's still there in 2027 and play whoever he thinks is best for the saders?
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Rare feeling as an AB fan where we've thrown big money at a player as a marquee signing (vs. just re-signing someone already in NZ)
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We did something similar with Sonny Bill Williams which turned out alright, even if the circus around him was nauseating at times.
We did it again with Roger Tuisava-Sheck who never really seemed at home in Rugby.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
We did something similar with Sonny Bill Williams which turned out alright, even if the circus around him was nauseating at times.
We did it again with Roger Tuisava-Sheck who never really seemed at home in Rugby.
SBW was a crazy athlete - if he got the positioning and skills he was going to succeed in some format.
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Damian shouldn’t have turned down that R360 deal
@zedsdeadbaby R360 is a bit of an unknown quanity, still very much an evolving story at the moment. How it fits into test rugby is not that clear.
