All Blacks v Argentina I
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I have no real issues with that starting backline (it picks itself)
Disagree. For all the ALB hate by some on here, the fact that Reece continues to be selected is more of a problem. It's not like he has been scoring tries for fun for the ABs and running sideways or making ineffective pick and goes doesn't work at test level. FFS give Narawa an opportunity.
Though it doesn’t help that Reece has continually out performed other NZ wingers during Super Rugby. If you took last super rugby season in isolation, you’d pick Reece to start on one wing. The chiefs wingers during the final were completely out classed
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Pretty much as expected
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
The pack is as expected.
Finau may need to play Number 8 in the second half.
Not sure why they rate Kirifi so highly. Not sure his three appearances against the French justified him being given the All Blacks 7 jersey for this one.
Excluding Lakai, who else would you give it to? We don't have many options atm.
Someone put a highlights package of Kirifi's first test start in Hamilton and for me he was actually pretty bloody busy, but as much as I'm a Kirifi fan I think it's inevitable that he'll step aside for Lakai from next week.
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@Canes4life I just watched that video.
Terrifying to see him lose a number of collisions and his body positions a couple of times are not good.
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@sparky I initially posted the wrong link, did you watch his performance in Hamilton or the one in Dunedin?
Because for me he made massive improvements in the Hamilton performance compared to test 1 and test 2, especially his ball carrying.
I think he will get better and better as he comes more accustomed to test footy. He was the best 7 by a distance in NZ during Super Rugby so the coaches are obviously happy to give him time.
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@Canes4life The one that's there now.
And "he improved a bit", even if it's accepted, isn't a compelling argument for handing a player the All Black 7 jersey.
The Argentinians are going to target our openside at the breakdown and tackle area big time on Saturday. I hope he's up to the task.
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Not such a fan of the 7 and 8 set up. Mainly on size, but also I'd like to keep Ardie at 7.
Would have gone Jim on bench over ALB, although I think the dislike of the latter is somewhat over stated.
Otherwise, difficult to whinge too much, except for just wanting too.
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@Darren said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Well only one way to find out about Kirifi. Glad he gets a starting shot, I don't know if he will be successful or not at test level, but I'd like to find out. And a few min off the bench is not going to tell us much.
He started 7 in the 3rd test vs France as Jacobson went down in warmups
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life The one that's there now.
And "he improved a bit", even if it's accepted, isn't a compelling argument for handing a player the All Black 7 jersey.
The Argentinians are going to target our openside at the breakdown and tackle area big time on Saturday. I hope he's up to the task.
He'll be fine IMO. At least we'll know one way or another. He deserves his opportunity. Others that have been in the jersey over the last couple of seasons haven't taken their opportunities so no point continuing with players that have failed to deliver. I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
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@Bovidae yep, while his workrate is up there, too often he goes in ahead of the 9, potentially stifling anything out wide because you know he is going into traffic or crabbing taking away the space.
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Kirifi and Savea starting. Good to match up against the Argies who reply on mobility and pace rather than size.
Six of our forwards are going to have to work their arses off.
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Los Pumas to face the All Blacks in Cordoba:
- VIVAS, Mayco (31 caps)
- MONTOYA, Julián (C) (108 caps)
- DELGADO, Pedro (4 caps)
- MOLINA, Franco (12 caps)
- RUBIOLO, Pedro (23 caps)
- MATERA, Pablo (VC) (112 caps)
- KREMER, Marcos (73 caps)
- OVIEDO, Joaquín (13 caps)
- GARCÍA, Gonzalo (11 caps)
- ALBORNOZ, Tomás (17 caps)
- DELGUY, Bautista (33 caps)
- CHOCOBARES, Santiago (27 caps)
- CINTI, Lucio (34 caps)
- ISGRÓ, Rodrigo (9 caps)
- MALLÍA, Juan Cruz (VC) (42 caps)
Replacements
16. RUIZ, Ignacio (18 caps)
17. TETAZ CHAPARRO, Nahuel (79 caps)
18. SCLAVI, Joel (27 caps)
19. PETTI, Guido (89 caps)
20. GONZÁLEZ, Juan Martín (42 caps)
21. BENÍTEZ CRUZ, Simón (3 caps)
22. CARRERAS, Santiago (55 caps)
23. PICCARDO, Justo (4 caps) -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Bovidae yep, while his workrate is up there, too often he goes in ahead of the 9, potentially stifling anything out wide because you know he is going into traffic or crabbing taking away the space.
I don’t think that has been a problem this year because when he has done it, it has offered something different from the base. Roigard has run very little which I think is to our detriment.
As for the team, I’m hopeful that DK will be able to have more of an impact but would’ve preferred Ardie at 7.
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@hikastags I don't even think Prendergast is the best Irish 10.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
Unfortunately for Kirifi, I don't think he'll be given the opportunity. If all the loose forwards are fit, he's out of the 23.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
Unfortunately for Kirifi, I don't think he'll be given the opportunity. If all the loose forwards are fit, he's out of the 23.
If we played two big fluffybunnies at 6 & 8 we could use him effectively IMO.
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