All Blacks v Argentina I
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@Darren said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Well only one way to find out about Kirifi. Glad he gets a starting shot, I don't know if he will be successful or not at test level, but I'd like to find out. And a few min off the bench is not going to tell us much.
He started 7 in the 3rd test vs France as Jacobson went down in warmups
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life The one that's there now.
And "he improved a bit", even if it's accepted, isn't a compelling argument for handing a player the All Black 7 jersey.
The Argentinians are going to target our openside at the breakdown and tackle area big time on Saturday. I hope he's up to the task.
He'll be fine IMO. At least we'll know one way or another. He deserves his opportunity. Others that have been in the jersey over the last couple of seasons haven't taken their opportunities so no point continuing with players that have failed to deliver. I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
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@Bovidae yep, while his workrate is up there, too often he goes in ahead of the 9, potentially stifling anything out wide because you know he is going into traffic or crabbing taking away the space.
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Kirifi and Savea starting. Good to match up against the Argies who reply on mobility and pace rather than size.
Six of our forwards are going to have to work their arses off.
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Los Pumas to face the All Blacks in Cordoba:
- VIVAS, Mayco (31 caps)
- MONTOYA, Julián (C) (108 caps)
- DELGADO, Pedro (4 caps)
- MOLINA, Franco (12 caps)
- RUBIOLO, Pedro (23 caps)
- MATERA, Pablo (VC) (112 caps)
- KREMER, Marcos (73 caps)
- OVIEDO, Joaquín (13 caps)
- GARCÍA, Gonzalo (11 caps)
- ALBORNOZ, Tomás (17 caps)
- DELGUY, Bautista (33 caps)
- CHOCOBARES, Santiago (27 caps)
- CINTI, Lucio (34 caps)
- ISGRÓ, Rodrigo (9 caps)
- MALLÍA, Juan Cruz (VC) (42 caps)
Replacements
16. RUIZ, Ignacio (18 caps)
17. TETAZ CHAPARRO, Nahuel (79 caps)
18. SCLAVI, Joel (27 caps)
19. PETTI, Guido (89 caps)
20. GONZÁLEZ, Juan Martín (42 caps)
21. BENÍTEZ CRUZ, Simón (3 caps)
22. CARRERAS, Santiago (55 caps)
23. PICCARDO, Justo (4 caps) -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Bovidae yep, while his workrate is up there, too often he goes in ahead of the 9, potentially stifling anything out wide because you know he is going into traffic or crabbing taking away the space.
I don’t think that has been a problem this year because when he has done it, it has offered something different from the base. Roigard has run very little which I think is to our detriment.
As for the team, I’m hopeful that DK will be able to have more of an impact but would’ve preferred Ardie at 7.
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@hikastags I don't even think Prendergast is the best Irish 10.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
Unfortunately for Kirifi, I don't think he'll be given the opportunity. If all the loose forwards are fit, he's out of the 23.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
Unfortunately for Kirifi, I don't think he'll be given the opportunity. If all the loose forwards are fit, he's out of the 23.
If we played two big fluffybunnies at 6 & 8 we could use him effectively IMO.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
Unfortunately for Kirifi, I don't think he'll be given the opportunity. If all the loose forwards are fit, he's out of the 23.
If we played two big fluffybunnies at 6 & 8 we could use him effectively IMO.
And drop Savea to the bench? I'm not against it but it won't happen.
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I pretty happy with team. Kirifi will be fine, he was bloody good in 3rd test against French, not a little better etc. His stats were off the charts, and alongside Holland was most effective forward on field at ruck time etc. I have no probs with ALB on bench either, we all like Jim the Dif, bur reaslistcally he was a little overwhelmed in French series, I not convinced he as good coming off bench as when he starts.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
Unfortunately for Kirifi, I don't think he'll be given the opportunity. If all the loose forwards are fit, he's out of the 23.
If we played two big fluffybunnies at 6 & 8 we could use him effectively IMO.
I think he is physical enough for an international 7 , his lack of size is more a height thing, he is built like a brick shithouse even if short, he doesn’t get monstered in contact ,sometimes his lower body height works to his advantage.
I agree , it’s about the collective balance , genuine ball winners in the air at 6 and 8 and it’s not an issue . -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I pretty happy with team. Kirifi will be fine, he was bloody good in 3rd test against French, not a little better etc. His stats were off the charts, and alongside Holland was most effective forward on field at ruck time etc. I have no probs with ALB on bench either, we all like Jim the Dif, bur reaslistcally he was a little overwhelmed in French series, I not convinced he as good coming off bench as when he starts.
Kirifi struggled in the first quarter but grew into the game and had a good 2nd half.
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Overall this 23 is a bit meh. The tight five remains a strength.
Apart from Savea, JB and Jordan there are question marks over the rest of the players outside the tight five.
Vaai shows much promise at 6 and now we will seem tested against tougher opponents than France B/C.
Jury is still out over the rest apart from Reece who shouldn't be there.
BBs passing has improved but his kicking still runs hot and cold.
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@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Overall this 23 is a bit meh. The tight five remains a strength. Apart from Savea, JB and Jordan there are question marks over the rest of the players outside the tight five.
Vaai shows much promise at 6 and now we will seem tested against tougher opponents than France B/C
I actually like that Robertson is giving players like Proctor, Vaa'i & Kirirfi plenty of opportunity. Taking a bit of a risk - which maybe should have done it last year - is positive.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I have no probs with ALB on bench either, we all like Jim the Dif, bur reaslistcally he was a little overwhelmed in French series, I not convinced he as good coming off bench as when he starts.
Interesting it took you 2 tests to come to this conclusion yet you are happy with ALB on the bench following many more average bench displays.
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