All Blacks v Argentina I
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Kirifi and Savea starting. Good to match up against the Argies who reply on mobility and pace rather than size.
Six of our forwards are going to have to work their arses off.
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Los Pumas to face the All Blacks in Cordoba:
- VIVAS, Mayco (31 caps)
- MONTOYA, Julián (C) (108 caps)
- DELGADO, Pedro (4 caps)
- MOLINA, Franco (12 caps)
- RUBIOLO, Pedro (23 caps)
- MATERA, Pablo (VC) (112 caps)
- KREMER, Marcos (73 caps)
- OVIEDO, Joaquín (13 caps)
- GARCÍA, Gonzalo (11 caps)
- ALBORNOZ, Tomás (17 caps)
- DELGUY, Bautista (33 caps)
- CHOCOBARES, Santiago (27 caps)
- CINTI, Lucio (34 caps)
- ISGRÓ, Rodrigo (9 caps)
- MALLÍA, Juan Cruz (VC) (42 caps)
Replacements
16. RUIZ, Ignacio (18 caps)
17. TETAZ CHAPARRO, Nahuel (79 caps)
18. SCLAVI, Joel (27 caps)
19. PETTI, Guido (89 caps)
20. GONZÁLEZ, Juan Martín (42 caps)
21. BENÍTEZ CRUZ, Simón (3 caps)
22. CARRERAS, Santiago (55 caps)
23. PICCARDO, Justo (4 caps) -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Bovidae yep, while his workrate is up there, too often he goes in ahead of the 9, potentially stifling anything out wide because you know he is going into traffic or crabbing taking away the space.
I don’t think that has been a problem this year because when he has done it, it has offered something different from the base. Roigard has run very little which I think is to our detriment.
As for the team, I’m hopeful that DK will be able to have more of an impact but would’ve preferred Ardie at 7.
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@hikastags I don't even think Prendergast is the best Irish 10.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
Unfortunately for Kirifi, I don't think he'll be given the opportunity. If all the loose forwards are fit, he's out of the 23.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
Unfortunately for Kirifi, I don't think he'll be given the opportunity. If all the loose forwards are fit, he's out of the 23.
If we played two big fluffybunnies at 6 & 8 we could use him effectively IMO.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
Unfortunately for Kirifi, I don't think he'll be given the opportunity. If all the loose forwards are fit, he's out of the 23.
If we played two big fluffybunnies at 6 & 8 we could use him effectively IMO.
And drop Savea to the bench? I'm not against it but it won't happen.
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I pretty happy with team. Kirifi will be fine, he was bloody good in 3rd test against French, not a little better etc. His stats were off the charts, and alongside Holland was most effective forward on field at ruck time etc. I have no probs with ALB on bench either, we all like Jim the Dif, bur reaslistcally he was a little overwhelmed in French series, I not convinced he as good coming off bench as when he starts.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I expect Kirifi to keep getting better and better the more he plays at this level, if he doesn't then I'm sure the coaches will find someone else.
Unfortunately for Kirifi, I don't think he'll be given the opportunity. If all the loose forwards are fit, he's out of the 23.
If we played two big fluffybunnies at 6 & 8 we could use him effectively IMO.
I think he is physical enough for an international 7 , his lack of size is more a height thing, he is built like a brick shithouse even if short, he doesn’t get monstered in contact ,sometimes his lower body height works to his advantage.
I agree , it’s about the collective balance , genuine ball winners in the air at 6 and 8 and it’s not an issue . -
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I pretty happy with team. Kirifi will be fine, he was bloody good in 3rd test against French, not a little better etc. His stats were off the charts, and alongside Holland was most effective forward on field at ruck time etc. I have no probs with ALB on bench either, we all like Jim the Dif, bur reaslistcally he was a little overwhelmed in French series, I not convinced he as good coming off bench as when he starts.
Kirifi struggled in the first quarter but grew into the game and had a good 2nd half.
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Overall this 23 is a bit meh. The tight five remains a strength.
Apart from Savea, JB and Jordan there are question marks over the rest of the players outside the tight five.
Vaai shows much promise at 6 and now we will seem tested against tougher opponents than France B/C.
Jury is still out over the rest apart from Reece who shouldn't be there.
BBs passing has improved but his kicking still runs hot and cold.
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@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Overall this 23 is a bit meh. The tight five remains a strength. Apart from Savea, JB and Jordan there are question marks over the rest of the players outside the tight five.
Vaai shows much promise at 6 and now we will seem tested against tougher opponents than France B/C
I actually like that Robertson is giving players like Proctor, Vaa'i & Kirirfi plenty of opportunity. Taking a bit of a risk - which maybe should have done it last year - is positive.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I have no probs with ALB on bench either, we all like Jim the Dif, bur reaslistcally he was a little overwhelmed in French series, I not convinced he as good coming off bench as when he starts.
Interesting it took you 2 tests to come to this conclusion yet you are happy with ALB on the bench following many more average bench displays.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
Overall this 23 is a bit meh. The tight five remains a strength. Apart from Savea, JB and Jordan there are question marks over the rest of the players outside the tight five.
Vaai shows much promise at 6 and now we will seem tested against tougher opponents than France B/C
I actually like that Robertson is giving players like Proctor, Vaa'i & Kirirfi plenty of opportunity. Taking a bit of a risk - which maybe should have done it last year - is positive.
Taking risks is appropriate when there are potential high rewards. I can see that with Vaa'i. Don't really see it with Kirifi or Proctor.
I'd rather see the risks taken with players like Love and Carter.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
I have no probs with ALB on bench either, we all like Jim the Dif, bur reaslistcally he was a little overwhelmed in French series, I not convinced he as good coming off bench as when he starts.
Interesting it took you 2 tests to come to this conclusion yet you are happy with ALB on the bench following many more average bench displays.
He's been anonymous starting.
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@brodean And that for me is the key issue.
Robertson was an outstanding coach at provincial and Super Rugby level where he was able to build a squad of fierce battlers around his big personality.
I am not sure he has successfully transitioned yet to international coaching where the risks and rewards are much bigger.
Potentially world class players are being overlooked for solid, but unexciting and unexceptional, battlers.
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@hikastags said in All Blacks v Argentina I:
@Jet well yes considering half the players you named are washed.
They’d absolutely bang the doors down for the likes of Savea, Sititi, Jordie, Jordan.
Funnily enough none of those names were mentioned in the original opinion
Well done
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