All Blacks v Argentina II

pakman

@sparky

That forward selection should be close.

For me:

EDG/Taylor/Newell/Holland & Barrett/Lakai/Vaa’i/RD

Bench T’Mighty/Sami T/Tosi/Parker/Sititi.

Crazy Horse

@Chuck72 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@stodders Barrett and Holland both started the first test

Bugger off with your facts. They have no place on this board.

pakman

It would be bloody ballsy, but I’d like to see Preston get a start.

sparky

@pakman I like being ballsy and I like Kyle Preston, but I think starting him from the bench (the role he's mostly had for the Crusaders) gives him a stronger chance of a successful debut.

But he should definitely be in the 23 next Saturday.

No Quarter

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

I’m hearing that ALB is going to be unavailable for this test due to a delayed concussion.

Someone smacked him after that performance????

I heard it was a headbutt, but not sure if Razor was involved

booboo

@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Assuming Patrick T is injured, I'd pick something like:

De Groot

Taylor

Newell

F. Holland

S. Barrett

T. Vaii

A. Savea

W. Sititi

C.Ratima

DMac

L. Carter

J. Barrett

B. Proctor

S. Reece

W. Jordan

Sami T

T. Williams

P.Tosi

S. Parker

P.Lakai

K.Preston

R. Love

R. Ioane

Not too much disagreement from me.

I'd start Tamaiti, you can drag him when he is gassed as he's had a few weeks off. I know Groot would be more suited to start but that's what I would do.

Jim on the bench.

Maybe Narawa at 14.

Think it was @KiwiMurph who suggested Lord to the bench. I'm sitting on the fence with the three of them and refusing to make a call.

pakman

@sparky I want experience in my 9 and 10 if the game is tight with 20 to go.

voodoo

@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@sparky

That forward selection should be close.

For me:

EDG/Taylor/Newell/Holland & Barrett/Lakai/Vaa’i/RD

Bench T’Mighty/Sami T/Tosi/Parker/Sititi.

Straight swap Sititi for Lakai please

pakman

@voodoo in the end the call will probably come down to how Wally’s recuperation has come along. I’m assuming he will get 30 first time back. Same view on Williams.

stodders

@Chuck72 oops. Go about your business. Nothing to see here

Dan54

I kind of be a little surprised if Sititi starts, coming back from injury, and hasn't quite looked real world beater during Super this year (although he was good). Think they may just bring him in slowly. But of course in me suggesting that they may do exact opposite. :face_with_tongue:

Canes4life

Patrick Tuipolotu and Anton Leinert-Brown have been ruled out for test 2. I'd imagine that almost guarantees another test start for Billy Proctor, unless they decide to shift Ioane back to centre.

I can see both Williams and Sititi coming into the starting XV which will give us a bit more size in the pack and I think Lakai will get his first opportunity off the bench for 2025 as he can cover 7, 8. Kirifi drops out for me.

antipodean

So we require lock coverage on the bench. Be interesting if they decide to get cute and decide that shifting Vaa'i works best. Then we need a big body to cover the loose forward swap. That can only be one of two people and if they're serious about seeing Parker, then he'll probably come off the bench at the expense of Finau.

Proctor will start again. If Tavatavanawai comes onto the bench I expect to see a swap if Proctor has to leave the field. Big Jim to the vacated left wing spot as Rieko covers centre.

mencey

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@antipodean I don't disagree but I can't see Savea being subbed off or starting on the bench any time soon.

Unfortunately neither can I, and the All Blacks are the worse for it.

What the fuck are U talking about. Ardie is world class. He has proved himself time after time for years . I would have Ardie, Wallace and Parker/Vaa’i from here on in. Please let ALB and Christie go away and not come back.

antipodean

@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@antipodean I don't disagree but I can't see Savea being subbed off or starting on the bench any time soon.

Unfortunately neither can I, and the All Blacks are the worse for it.

What the fuck are U talking about. Ardie is world class. He has proved himself time after time for years .

At hitting rucks? Putting in a hard shoulder that turns into a dominant tackle others can driver through to win a turnover?

Or are we talking about seagulling to carry a ball, often with defenders hanging off him with the resulting slow ruck clearance for the next phase? Chip kicks from 10m out of our own line? His abysmal defensive reads? His low effort in running back into the defensive line? His giving up metres in defence trying to scrag players to the deck in the hope he gets a turnover?

He looks all the world a back that's been asked to play in the forwards.

Or maybe I'm wrong and his highlight reel clearly puts me back in my box.

mariner4life

@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Ardie is world class

at one thing. He has serious flaws in other areas. And they actually hurt the team. And that is @antipodean 's point.

I probably wouldn't dump him but you have to be very careful who you partner him with.

SBW1

Is Christie being dropped?

antipodean

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Ardie is world class

at one thing. He has serious flaws in other areas. And they actually hurt the team. And that is @antipodean 's point.

I probably wouldn't dump him but you have to be very careful who you partner him with.

I wouldn't dump him given his undoubted talents, but he'd be on the bench ready to wreak havoc after the big nasties have softened and exhausted their opponents.

voodoo

I'm not sure anyone here wants him dumped. Some want him on the bench. Most want him at 7.

90% of us just want him paired with the right partners (i.e. dudes who like to hit rucks effectively)

frugby

Thinking ahead to the Boks, going to need a big physical bench, but equally they will want some experience.

Expecting to see Sititi in for Kirifi, with Savea back to 7, but the makeup of the bench is fascinating.

Parker and Lakai would be my pick for this week, but that is awfully green for the Boks.

The alternatives are Kirifi & Finau. Not sure they fill me with a lot of confidence.

For me, let Parker loose this week, and then all going well he lines up to come on for the last 20 for one of the locks, with Vaa’i shifting to lock, and Jacobson is there to replace Sititi for the closing stages.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks v Argentina II