All Blacks v Argentina II

[Chuck72]

@stodders Barrett and Holland both started the first test

[sparky]

Assuming Patrick T is injured, I'd pick something like:

1. De Groot
2. Taylor
3. Newell
4. F. Holland
5. S. Barrett
6. T. Vaii
7. A. Savea
8. W. Sititi
9. C.Ratima
10. DMac
11. L. Carter
12. J. Barrett
13. B. Proctor
14. S. Reece
15. W. Jordan

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16. Sami T
17. T. Williams
18. P.Tosi
19. S. Parker
20. P.Lakai
21. K.Preston
22. R. Love
23. R. Ioane

[KiwiMurph]

@sparky Lord on the bench over one of Parker/Lakai

[pakman]

@sparky

That forward selection should be close.

For me:

EDG/Taylor/Newell/Holland & Barrett/Lakai/Vaa’i/RD

Bench T’Mighty/Sami T/Tosi/Parker/Sititi.

[Crazy Horse]

@Chuck72 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@stodders Barrett and Holland both started the first test

Bugger off with your facts. They have no place on this board.

[pakman]

It would be bloody ballsy, but I’d like to see Preston get a start.

[sparky]

@pakman I like being ballsy and I like Kyle Preston, but I think starting him from the bench (the role he's mostly had for the Crusaders) gives him a stronger chance of a successful debut.

But he should definitely be in the 23 next Saturday.

[No Quarter]

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Landers92 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

I’m hearing that ALB is going to be unavailable for this test due to a delayed concussion.

Someone smacked him after that performance????

I heard it was a headbutt, but not sure if Razor was involved

[booboo]

@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Assuming Patrick T is injured, I'd pick something like:

1. De Groot
2. Taylor
3. Newell
4. F. Holland
5. S. Barrett
6. T. Vaii
7. A. Savea
8. W. Sititi
9. C.Ratima
10. DMac
11. L. Carter
12. J. Barrett
13. B. Proctor
14. S. Reece
15. W. Jordan

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16. Sami T
17. T. Williams
18. P.Tosi
19. S. Parker
20. P.Lakai
21. K.Preston
22. R. Love
23. R. Ioane

Not too much disagreement from me.

I'd start Tamaiti, you can drag him when he is gassed as he's had a few weeks off. I know Groot would be more suited to start but that's what I would do.

Jim on the bench.

Maybe Narawa at 14.

Think it was @KiwiMurph who suggested Lord to the bench. I'm sitting on the fence with the three of them and refusing to make a call.

[pakman]

@sparky I want experience in my 9 and 10 if the game is tight with 20 to go.

[voodoo]

@pakman said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@sparky

That forward selection should be close.

For me:

EDG/Taylor/Newell/Holland & Barrett/Lakai/Vaa’i/RD

Bench T’Mighty/Sami T/Tosi/Parker/Sititi.

Straight swap Sititi for Lakai please

[pakman]

@voodoo in the end the call will probably come down to how Wally’s recuperation has come along. I’m assuming he will get 30 first time back. Same view on Williams.

[stodders]

@Chuck72 oops. Go about your business. Nothing to see here

[Dan54]

I kind of be a little surprised if Sititi starts, coming back from injury, and hasn't quite looked real world beater during Super this year (although he was good). Think they may just bring him in slowly. But of course in me suggesting that they may do exact opposite. :face_with_tongue:

[Canes4life]

Patrick Tuipolotu and Anton Leinert-Brown have been ruled out for test 2. I'd imagine that almost guarantees another test start for Billy Proctor, unless they decide to shift Ioane back to centre.

I can see both Williams and Sititi coming into the starting XV which will give us a bit more size in the pack and I think Lakai will get his first opportunity off the bench for 2025 as he can cover 7, 8. Kirifi drops out for me.

[antipodean]

So we require lock coverage on the bench. Be interesting if they decide to get cute and decide that shifting Vaa'i works best. Then we need a big body to cover the loose forward swap. That can only be one of two people and if they're serious about seeing Parker, then he'll probably come off the bench at the expense of Finau.

Proctor will start again. If Tavatavanawai comes onto the bench I expect to see a swap if Proctor has to leave the field. Big Jim to the vacated left wing spot as Rieko covers centre.

[mencey]

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@antipodean I don't disagree but I can't see Savea being subbed off or starting on the bench any time soon.

Unfortunately neither can I, and the All Blacks are the worse for it.

What the fuck are U talking about. Ardie is world class. He has proved himself time after time for years . I would have Ardie, Wallace and Parker/Vaa’i from here on in. Please let ALB and Christie go away and not come back.

[antipodean]

@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@antipodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@antipodean I don't disagree but I can't see Savea being subbed off or starting on the bench any time soon.

Unfortunately neither can I, and the All Blacks are the worse for it.

What the fuck are U talking about. Ardie is world class. He has proved himself time after time for years .

At hitting rucks? Putting in a hard shoulder that turns into a dominant tackle others can driver through to win a turnover?

Or are we talking about seagulling to carry a ball, often with defenders hanging off him with the resulting slow ruck clearance for the next phase? Chip kicks from 10m out of our own line? His abysmal defensive reads? His low effort in running back into the defensive line? His giving up metres in defence trying to scrag players to the deck in the hope he gets a turnover?

He looks all the world a back that's been asked to play in the forwards.

Or maybe I'm wrong and his highlight reel clearly puts me back in my box.

[mariner4life]

@mencey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Ardie is world class

at one thing. He has serious flaws in other areas. And they actually hurt the team. And that is @antipodean 's point.

I probably wouldn't dump him but you have to be very careful who you partner him with.

[SBW1]

Is Christie being dropped?