All Blacks v Argentina II
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@voodoo said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
- 4 quality lineout jumpers
The last time I can recall us having such lineout firepower was 2019 when Sir Steve picked Whitelock, Retallick, SBarrett and Read.
Let's hope the Argies don't find an Itoje.
(We might have confused ourselves with having so many options and still finding it not working).
But Retallick and Scooter were used interchangeably throughout therefore they weren’t always in there. I expect the same on Sunday morning.
- 4 quality lineout jumpers
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@ACT-Crusader and he hasnt had a decent stint to try and establish himself, or show his true value, he keeps getting injured.
He is a big munter, so along with PT, we have a couple of good big men to keep the heat on SB & FH, with Vaai there too, Darry still to come back, and then a few other quality super rugby locks too, our lock stocks look damn fine right now.
Ryan has created a formidable pack, and developing depth, still some finetuning to be done, but importanlty, just need to get the backs firing on all cylinders.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Yep always a consistent campaigner. Let’s hope he holds his form through to the WC.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Tuipulotu is a big miss when you see Lord there, otherwise the bench looks alright.
Yeah it not only sucks when a player who is in really good form gets injured, but that their role in the team is well defined and they are playing to it.
Patty and Lord are chalk and cheese in terms of the type of player they are.
Yeah I consider Lord as a start or don't play type player too, but Holland is ahead of him currently and for a while too. We don't really have anyone else in fairness who can play Pat's role off the bench either, so the selection of Lord isn't a criticism, it's just that we won't get the same impact as Pat would provide us.
Lord would be a more natural sub for Holland.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai, Carter and McKenzie, forming our own bomb squad. Perfect test to try it
The coaching setup have finally got around to copying a 5yr-old Rassie idea rather than coming up with fresh thinking?
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@Victor-Meldrew eh?
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
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Kinda ludicrous that we currently have a forward pack that we can't fit everyone in and a backline seemingly comprised of the Illford 2nd 15
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
To be fair, Taylor was in garbage form throughout all of 2022. Maybe he had to play himself back into form for the All Blacks but that's not a luxury other players get afforded. Could he have regained his form if he'd been dropped? Potentially.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
My suggestion was to have a bench of Taukei’aho, Williams, Tosi, Lord, Sititi, Lakai, Carter and McKenzie, forming our own bomb squad. Perfect test to try it
The coaching setup have finally got around to copying a 5yr-old Rassie idea rather than coming up with fresh thinking?
What matters is the BEST team, not whether it is the product of "fresh thinking" or not
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
To be fair, Taylor was in garbage form throughout all of 2022. Maybe he had to play himself back into form for the All Blacks but that's not a luxury other players get afforded. Could he have regained his form if he'd been dropped? Potentially.
Yeah that combined with ST in probably career best form. It wasn't pretty.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
I recall him being roundly lauded as of the 2017 Lions, so took a year or so to get over?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
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@KiwiMurph who was coaching in 2022 though...
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@KiwiMurph who was coaching in 2022 though...
Plumtree only lasted 3 tests as forwards coach before Jase Ryan came in
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I understand Lord's selection on the bench as Razor and Ryan probably want to target the Argies LO which was a weakness during the Cordoba game. If Holland is substituted, then Lord could fill his role perfectly as far as the lineout is concerned. But Lord can't be compared to PT in terms of physicality, ball carrying and maybe of power in the scrums.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Huge congratulations to Codie Taylor on reaching 100 Tests. He's been around since 2015. He watched and learned from the great Dane Coles, worked damn hard and has now become perhaps the first name on the AB team sheet.
Can remember when he was regarded on here with Christie-like reverence.
Classic case of the Fern living up to it's motto
Feel free to actually include some context.
In 2022 Codie Taylor's form fell of a cliff. From memory there was some oil in here that he had some off the field issues he was working through
In 2022 Samisoni had a breakout year and really started putting pressure on
More recently Codie Taylor has hit a real purple patch of form and Samisoni's form has dropped away (though a highly promising display last week).
I recall that and IIRC the coaches persisted with Cody in an attempt to play him into form. With the benefit of hindsight I'm pleased they did because his form over the last few seasons has been phenomenal.
