All Blacks v Argentina II

KiwiMurph

Julian Savea had 54 caps.

Rieko has 83.

ALB is on 86.

Another season and these two jokers are centurions.

This is the rot im talking about.

And the irony is it was Rieko who replaced Savea.

Jet

Even the games we win are not convincing.

We go life and death with everyone.

Chris

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Forwards are fine, 3 blokes in the backs need to retire.
Captaincy change is essential.
SB is a fine lock.

So you are going to drop your most potent attacking weapon in Jordan stupid.
The back 3 did have bad games some of that comes from idiots in front of them not controlling the game.

Jet

Would Love Carter and Preston have done any worse?

We need line breaks. We need to get the opposition back pedalling.

Frank

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

All these suggested changes are a bit late - lol

never too later the alternative carry on regardless makes no sense that for the same results.
Have to be brave somewhere next year it is too late.

For sure, my point being Razor's conservatism got us into this predicament in the first place.

The lack of courage not to play Carter or Preston being two examples.

Chris

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

All these suggested changes are a bit late - lol

never too later the alternative carry on regardless makes no sense that for the same results.
Have to be brave somewhere next year it is too late.

For sure, my point being Razor's conservatism got us into this predicament in the first place.

The lack of courage not to play Carter or Preston being two examples.

NO argument it is frustrating me as well,Hansen has a love affair with BB ,Jordie and Reiko so they will not get dropped.

KiwiMurph

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

All these suggested changes are a bit late - lol

never too later the alternative carry on regardless makes no sense that for the same results.
Have to be brave somewhere next year it is too late.

For sure, my point being Razor's conservatism got us into this predicament in the first place.

The lack of courage not to play Carter or Preston being two examples.

NO argument it is frustrating me as well,Hanson has a love affair with BB ,Jordie and Reiko so they will not get dropped.

Then drop Hansen as coach

MN5

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Julian Savea had 54 caps.

Rieko has 83.

ALB is on 86.

Another season and these two jokers are centurions.

This is the rot im talking about.

And the irony is it was Rieko who replaced Savea.

At least Reiko WAS great.

No disrespect but a guy like ALB should be no where near 50 let alone 100 caps.

Chris

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

All these suggested changes are a bit late - lol

never too later the alternative carry on regardless makes no sense that for the same results.
Have to be brave somewhere next year it is too late.

For sure, my point being Razor's conservatism got us into this predicament in the first place.

The lack of courage not to play Carter or Preston being two examples.

NO argument it is frustrating me as well,Hanson has a love affair with BB ,Jordie and Reiko so they will not get dropped.

Then drop Hansen as coach

I can't can I ?

Unite

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@kidcalder said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Bring in Schmitt after RC he is available then.

Read Foster's book and you'll begin to understand why Schmidt wanted nothing to do with the AB's after RWC2023

Please summarize why.

NZR and the Commercial arm of the All Blacks are a shit show currently, pretty much

BerniesCorner

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Forwards are fine, 3 blokes in the backs need to retire.
Captaincy change is essential.
SB is a fine lock.

So you are going to drop your most potent attacking weapon in Jordan stupid.
The back 3 did have bad games some of that comes from idiots in front of them not controlling the game.

Please read that again

KiwiMurph

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

All these suggested changes are a bit late - lol

never too later the alternative carry on regardless makes no sense that for the same results.
Have to be brave somewhere next year it is too late.

For sure, my point being Razor's conservatism got us into this predicament in the first place.

The lack of courage not to play Carter or Preston being two examples.

NO argument it is frustrating me as well,Hanson has a love affair with BB ,Jordie and Reiko so they will not get dropped.

Then drop Hansen as coach

I can't can I ?

Sure you can Razor

Chris

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Frank said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

All these suggested changes are a bit late - lol

never too later the alternative carry on regardless makes no sense that for the same results.
Have to be brave somewhere next year it is too late.

For sure, my point being Razor's conservatism got us into this predicament in the first place.

The lack of courage not to play Carter or Preston being two examples.

NO argument it is frustrating me as well,Hanson has a love affair with BB ,Jordie and Reiko so they will not get dropped.

Then drop Hansen as coach

I can't can I ?

Sure you can Razor

if only

Chris

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Chris said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

Forwards are fine, 3 blokes in the backs need to retire.
Captaincy change is essential.
SB is a fine lock.

So you are going to drop your most potent attacking weapon in Jordan stupid.
The back 3 did have bad games some of that comes from idiots in front of them not controlling the game.

Please read that again

Sorry my misread .

Jet

@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

I had a lot of hope for Razor, but honestly we’re lacking the basic structure that someone like Schmidt brings. Our play may have been more conservative under someone like that, but we’d have better fundamentals. He’s blooded a few new players, but essentially playing the same team/plan as Foster. Very disappointed with the lack of progression. Some areas have gone backwards.

Its the shoulder shrugging and hand waving away after defeats thats get me.

There should be consequences.

Drop 6 or 7 of them if you have to.

Sack a coach.

Drop an F Bomb in a press conference.

It doesnt look like it hurts them like it hurts us (or at least it used to).

And we dont have any vultures in the media holding their feet to the fire.

Kirst and Beav?

Wilson Mils and Angus?

Bryn Hall and Parsons?

Do me a favour....all pally pally.

You get better opinions on our game from non NZ sources such as Keo and Zels on SA Rugby.

Even on here tonight.....people arent angry enough. It's becoming normal. Its fucking unacceptable.

His Bobness

@Jet Too many cheerleaders and former players in the NZ media and not enough actual journalists.

Jet

"did you leave the jersey in a better place than you found it?"

"no" would be the answer most of these lads would have to give.

They play like there is no jeopardy.

Jet

@His-Bobness said in All Blacks v Argentina II:

@Jet Too many cheerleaders and former players in the NZ media and not enough actual journalists.

Im fucking seething.

This isnt a watershed moment.

It's the culmination of years of mismanagement, fear, protectionism, favouritism and incompetence.

Wouldn't be surprised if Adidas and Altrad walked in the next few years.

This aint a wagon to hitch your horse to.

Jet

If I got the gig tomorrow id drop Beauden, ALB Rieko and Reece from the squad.
Id strip Scooter of the captaincy and give it to Ardie as a caretaker pending a long termer putting their hand up.
Id inject some effervescence into the backs with Roigard/Love at 9/10, Carter on a wing, Tangitau once fit on the other.

Tupea or Tavatavanawai to 12, with Jordie to 15 and Jordan to the wing if needs be.

We need legs.

Happy to have Love at 10/15, Jordie at 12 or 15 and Jordan at 14 or 15 as required.

Can accept DMAC at 10 but want Beaudy gone forever. Tonight was appalling.

Nepia

Well, that was disappointing. I'm going to head out for a walk and then read back through the thread. Should be fun.

I assume, cos it's the fern, that Rieko will cop it the most despite getting little ball again (aside from the ball near the line leading to Proctors try) and despite the two Crusaders backs combining to give us 20 minutes with 14 men.

Choosing three for MOTM is going to be hard, might just have to go off the first half.

Shitty weekend of sport for me: Magpies lose, Hastings Boys lose, Warriors win but look shit doing it, AB's lose.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks v Argentina II