All Blacks v Springboks I
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Posting here, although comments based on Pumas 2.
Three main areas of concern:
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Aerial. We are holed below water line. Need AFL style coaching toot sweet;
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Backline. Seemed impossible to run backline moves because forwards were constantly in the way. Can’t we just run some straight backline moves?
DMac created space whereas BB was shackled by Puma D.
Jordie seems clunky. Like to see miss passes straight to 13. Would have liked to see Tuapea get a run outside DMac at 12.
Taking Proctor off for Quinn seemed to solve nothing. Would have been better to push Jordie into back three and let Proctor have a run with Tuapea inside; -
Loosies. As I feared, the formulaic selection was a failure. A balanced trio needs to encompass a fetcher, a ball slower, jumper, cleaner, smasher, and explosive runner. To a degree who does which isn’t so important. We ended up with no real fetcher, no ball slower and no smasher. The second Puma try highlighted the need for a 6 who’s used to defending off scrums.
In fact when Sititi came on it would have been better if Vaa’i had gone to lock, perhaps replacing Scooter, and Parker to six.
I think TWM should treat Sititi and Savea as 8s, and only have one on field at a time, Parker and Finau as 6s and Kirifi and Jacobson as 7s, Lakai seems to genuinely cover 7 and 8, and would have been a better bet than RD at 7.
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@Bones said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Frank you mean like when Mike Cron did that?
Plenty of issues in our national game that are.clear to see, yet doesn't seem anyone addressing it or even concerned there is nothing being done to rectify it.
Would have thought the likes of Spencer, Nonu, Jane, Carter, McCaw, Mealamu, Whitelock would all be guys that would be sought after to instill mindset, skills and training into this generation.
I'd love to hear Nonu's thoughts on this right now. Last time I saw him speak his analysis on an AB performance was superb and he didn't pull any punches. They should get him in to give his 2c on the issues with our backline right now, I bet it'd be illuminating.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Frank you mean like when Mike Cron did that?
Plenty of issues in our national game that are.clear to see, yet doesn't seem anyone addressing it or even concerned there is nothing being done to rectify it.
Would have thought the likes of Spencer, Nonu, Jane, Carter, McCaw, Mealamu, Whitelock would all be guys that would be sought after to instill mindset, skills and training into this generation.
> I'd love to hear Nonu's thoughts on this right now. Last time I saw him speak his analysis on an AB performance was superb and he didn't pull any punches. They should get him in to give his 2c on the issues with our backline right now, I bet it'd be illuminating.
He’s probably far too busy still playing like the absolute best ever 12 there has ever been. Legend.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Bones said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Frank you mean like when Mike Cron did that?
Plenty of issues in our national game that are.clear to see, yet doesn't seem anyone addressing it or even concerned there is nothing being done to rectify it.
Would have thought the likes of Spencer, Nonu, Jane, Carter, McCaw, Mealamu, Whitelock would all be guys that would be sought after to instill mindset, skills and training into this generation.
I'd love to hear Nonu's thoughts on this right now. Last time I saw him speak his analysis on an AB performance was superb and he didn't pull any punches. They should get him in to give his 2c on the issues with our backline right now, I bet it'd be illuminating.
100%, too many yes men analysing the ABs these days. Kirwan was probably one of the media men who actually said what he thought, probably not surprising he is no longer working for ‘woke’ Sky Sport.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Aotearoa Rugby Pod pulling their punches and searching for positives while making excuses. Basically say all we have to do is win collisions. Also, we lost two to yellow cards and did "really well" to stay in the game.
Very disappointing.
Will take a listen tomorrow but that sounds disappointing. I do find that when Ross asks pointed questions about players/games etc when things have not gone well, he often gets shut down by James, with Bryn backing James up.
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Parsons is part of the NZRPA and Hall owes his entire career to Razor. They are hardly two objective voices.
ARP are most interesting when discussing other countries and they don't have ties.
For NZ topics I find them mostly a waste of time to be honest - the fact they are preferred to The Breakdown says more about The Breakdown than anything else.
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Actually I remember JP (and Bryn Hall) once saying on the pod ,one of the best things they had found in playing high level sport, it taught them to be a bit more positive, and to in general look at why things went wrong, and look at systems etc, not just who to blame.
Who was the former Wallaby Ben Darwin who co wrote Gain Line Analytics, said almost all mistakes on field can be traced back to system/training mistakes, and it too easy to point fingers at players. -
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This just highlights a flaw that's always been pretty apparent, I'm not sure he's really talking out of turn here on Rieko.
I wasn't in favor of them moving Rieko back to the wing as he's at the age where his speed will be on the way out, and he's never really been great under the high ball. Can we really see him on the wing at the next WC? Ben Smith he is not.
He's at an age when it's time for him to focus on being a really good 13, and this is where the coaching group have got to wear it a bit - he can cover wing but he's a 13, so either pick him there or fucking leave him out.
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Rieko has easily been a better centre than what we have seen from Proctor so far at test level - and also comfortably better than ALB over the last four years at test level.
Proctor and ALBs games just aren't translating at test level.
I agree that Rieko should be considered as a 13 that covers wing. He's never been strong under the high ball.
People get over excited about Super form. Super Rugby is no longer the premier club competition.
Reece is another example of a player who has been great in Super Rugby and mediocre at test level.
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@Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together
So Dagg was covering Rieko being unable to catch high balls.
He still can'tAdd that to Rieko having years to develop a passing game at center.
There's two core skills he has had a lot of time and utterly failed to develop.
Fuck off now.
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together
So Dagg was covering Rieko being unable to catch high balls.
He still can'tAdd that to Rieko having years to develop a passing game at center.
There's two core skills he has had a lot of time and utterly failed to develop.
Fuck off now.
Add to this that Rieko after a decade of test rugby / pro rugby didn't develop one iota of a kicking game.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Except Riekos been incredibly poor at 13 for years.
It's just quite depressing to see someone who is clearly not good enough for internationals getting an automatic 1st team pick over and over.
Well, if you completely ignore the fact he's one of the best defensive centre's we've had in a long time, I guess you could make that claim. I've said before, but I think a team like SA would value Rieko at centre a LOT more than we do given how much ground he covers on defense. But we're very focused on our centre's creating tries while ignoring other crucial aspects of the role at that level. I firmly believe the issues with Rieko on attack is because our backline tactics have been poor for a long time now, which means we never utilise his speed on the outside shoulder to get over the advantage line. Using him as a crash ball merchant so often is just so dumb.
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@Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together
Ioane is pretty tall and people who are very quick can also generally jump high. No excuse why he can’t do this.
Loving Daggs almost Norm Hewitt like honesty. Must be a Hawkes Bay thing @Nepia
