All Blacks v Springboks I
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Anyway it's been 3 days since the cock up on weekend, and this thread is for next test. I genuinely don't think there will be many changes, mainly because I not sure who else in the squad is the answer against the Boks. I would perhaps think a Kirifi for loose chasing loose ball, but not sure who for anyway. In backs perhaps a change on wings if Clarke right, or they decide to give Jordan a run at 14.
And I will be yelling and supporting them as I always do regardless (he says with a sigh lol)
But by geez there better not be any cards!!!!!!!!!! -
MOTM polls vs boks last year (those over 10%):
Clarke, Vaai, Taylor, Jordie, Blackadder
Taylor, Vaai, Sititi, CaneWhich may suggest our best lock ought to be playing lock, we miss Clarke - who Razor left out at the start of the season when available - and we need some loosies who are going to hit attacking rucks. Not that we won those games, mind.
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@brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Frank said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@brodean said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Wurzel said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Speaking of Dagg and ex players not being critical of current ABs, evidently he’s not a Rieko fan… and wasn’t when they played together
Finally someone says something. Thank heavens.
The fact in a decade Rieko hasn't developed the skills to take the high ball or develop a kicking game says a lot.
It also says a lot about these coaches.
They talk about both sides of the ball but throw Rieko on the wing when presumably they know he struggles under the high ball. If they don't know - and if their plan was to play Rieko on the wing - then why weren't they using the pre AB squad naming camp in BOP and the French series trainings to really test out Rieko under the high ball.
There are some things Rieko has improved on in his career - defensively he has gotten much better and his passing has improved compared to where it was when he first came on the scene.
But it screams of Razor not having the sack to drop a guy that the NZR signed to a deal through to the 2027 RWC.
He doesn't need a highball game at centre and he didn't need a kicking game with Havili and JB being his main two partners.
Does need to know how to pass well though doesn't he.
See it as a close call between him and Proctor however.
Jesse Kriel passed zero times in the 2023 RWC final. The game has moved on from silky Bruce Robertson types.
LOL - I guess that makes his lack of skill development okay then.
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@Billy-Webb said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Given this is an away test, at the fortress Eden Park, the Boks are underdogs by some distance.
This is cause for optimism?
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So, who is not playing:
Sixteen All Blacks available for round 5 of Bunnings Warehouse NPC
Sixteen members of the All Blacks Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship squad will represent their Provincial Unions in the Bunnings Warehouse National Provincial Championship this weekend.
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@Billy-Webb said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
The Boks have hardly looked stellar in either of their games so far.
I'm not a fan of the whole 'our team isn't playing well, but neither is the other team so that's okay' argument. Yes, keeping the Eden Park record intact is important but I don't want to watch two team play ordinary rugby against each other and, overall, I'm only concerned with how well the All Blacks are going, if they're improving and if they look like they're on track to being a World Cup contender.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
MOTM polls vs boks last year (those over 10%):
Clarke, Vaai, Taylor, Jordie, Blackadder
Taylor, Vaai, Sititi, CaneWhich may suggest our best lock ought to be playing lock, we miss Clarke - who Razor left out at the start of the season when available - and we need some loosies who are going to hit attacking rucks. Not that we won those games, mind.
Sorry when did Razor leave out Clarke?
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
MOTM polls vs boks last year (those over 10%):
Clarke, Vaai, Taylor, Jordie, Blackadder
Taylor, Vaai, Sititi, CaneWhich may suggest our best lock ought to be playing lock, we miss Clarke - who Razor left out at the start of the season when available - and we need some loosies who are going to hit attacking rucks. Not that we won those games, mind.
Sorry when did Razor leave out Clarke?
Test 1 this year vs France in Dunedin.
Though he was set to start test 2 before getting injured in training
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@akan004 yeah seems they want to protect these guys from injury while ignoring getting them match fit, whereas you'd think if you arent match fit you are more likely to pick up an injury?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@akan004 yeah seems they want to protect these guys from injury while ignoring getting them match fit, whereas you'd think if you arent match fit you are more likely to pick up an injury?
It also points to not many if any changes for the Boks test.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
I not sure they are restrained, I just genuinely think they look at whole picture and go from there? It probably easier for us we watch game, see someone , decide we like them or not and then excuse them if we do, and rubbish them if we don't. A classic case is Christie, how many people when going crook about him mention he a ranga etc. See I thought he was one of our best backs on weekend. Same as BB, many will come up with he was best sometime ago, and suggest players like Love who has played 3 games at 10 etc. When we don't like players, we see them miss a tackle etc, and get stuck in, we don't look at any breakdown of defense system.
The thing is Dan - they don't look at the whole system in their comments. It's not just that they tend to talk up everyone, it's that they don't seem to critically analyse the ABs either. Without Roigard the ABs have a clear issue with tactical high and long kicking but they won't touch on it. Likewise the ABs restarts are easy fodder compared to the opposition - if it's not a short kickoff they have very little hangtime which helps the opposition to exit - whereas the ABs are having to take hanging restarts around their own 22 with chasers right in their face. They don't touch on it.
Where is the analysis of the backs? There is something fundamentally wrong with the backs currently - legitimately as bad as an AB backline has ever looked. As Dagg touched on - neither wing is adept under the high ball - that's not just on the players - that's on the coaches and selectors.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
At least the players I rate become All Blacks.
Iose awaiting the inevitable call up.
Iose isn’t someone that I’ve backed that hard, purely because we don’t need another small-ish 8 at test level. Good Super Rugby player. Higgins for that matter… watch out when he gets fit.
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it doesn't even have to be a fucking AFL coach, look at what your average NRL winger can do on either side of a ball.
Actually Marky Mark is shit under the high ball so maybe rugby backs ignore basic skills far too much
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
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n AFLcoach would be a huge asset at the momentin regards to restarts and the aerial game.Fixed.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
it doesn't even have to be a fucking AFL coach, look at what your average NRL winger can do on either side of a ball.
Actually Marky Mark is shit under the high ball so maybe rugby backs ignore basic skills far too much
I thought the Wallabies were impressive under the high ball vs the Boks last week. Specifically Corey Toole. It wasn't the high ball that cost them the game - in fact it put them in position to win it.
Whatever they are doing seems to be working.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
MOTM polls vs boks last year (those over 10%):
Clarke, Vaai, Taylor, Jordie, Blackadder
Taylor, Vaai, Sititi, CaneWhich may suggest our best lock ought to be playing lock, we miss Clarke - who Razor left out at the start of the season when available - and we need some loosies who are going to hit attacking rucks. Not that we won those games, mind.
Sorry when did Razor leave out Clarke?
Test 1 this year vs France in Dunedin.
Though he was set to start test 2 before getting injured in training
Reece was out concussed for test #2... Clarke was probably only selected for that one due to injury.
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@KiwiMurph practising?
