All Blacks v Springboks I
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@Wurzel same could be said of us..
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Siya is not named as captain. What is Rassie up to?
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All Blacks match-day 23 (Test caps in brackets; * denotes debutant)
1. Ethan de Groot (34)
2. Codie Taylor (100)
3. Fletcher Newell (27)
4. Scott Barrett (83) (Captain)
5. Tupou Vaa’i (42)
6. Simon Parker (1)
7. Ardie Savea (99) (Vice-Captain)
8. Wallace Sititi (11)
9. Finlay Christie (25)
10. Beauden Barrett (138)
11. Rieko Ioane (85)
12. Jordie Barrett (73) (Vice-Captain)
13. Billy Proctor (6)
14. Emoni Narawa (3)
15. Will Jordan (46)16. Samisoni Taukei’aho (35)
17. Tamaiti Williams (19)
18. Tyrel Lomax (45)
19. Fabian Holland (5)
20. Du’Plessis Kirifi (4)
21. Kyle Preston *
22. Quinn Tupaea (17)
23. Damian McKenzie (66)Unavailable for selection: Patrick Tuipulotu (minor facial fracture), Cortez Ratima (rib fracture), Timoci Tavatavanawai (fractured radius), Cam Roigard (foot stress fracture), Noah Hotham (high ankle sprain)
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
All Blacks match-day 23 (Test caps in brackets; * denotes debutant)
1. Ethan de Groot (34)
2. Codie Taylor (100)
3. Fletcher Newell (27)
4. Scott Barrett (83) (Captain)
5. Tupou Vaa’i (42)
6. Simon Parker (1)
7. Ardie Savea (99) (Vice-Captain)
8. Wallace Sititi (11)
9. Finlay Christie (25)
10. Beauden Barrett (138)
11. Rieko Ioane (85)
12. Jordie Barrett (73) (Vice-Captain)
13. Billy Proctor (6)
14. Emoni Narawa (3)
15. Will Jordan (46)16. Samisoni Taukei’aho (35)
17. Tamaiti Williams (19)
18. Tyrel Lomax (45)
19. Fabian Holland (5)
20. Du’Plessis Kirifi (4)
21. Kyle Preston *
22. Quinn Tupaea (17)
23. Damian McKenzie (66)Unavailable for selection: Patrick Tuipulotu (minor facial fracture), Cortez Ratima (rib fracture), Timoci Tavatavanawai (fractured radius), Cam Roigard (foot stress fracture), Noah Hotham (high ankle sprain)
Fuck me we look pretty mediocre in the backs.
2 loosies underdone, one in his first big match, and they've flogged our lock success story until he needs to go onto the bench, and replaced him with the guy they've flogged at 6. Front row looks good these days at least. -
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
All Blacks match-day 23 (Test caps in brackets; * denotes debutant)
1. Ethan de Groot (34)
2. Codie Taylor (100)
3. Fletcher Newell (27)
4. Scott Barrett (83) (Captain)
5. Tupou Vaa’i (42)
6. Simon Parker (1)
7. Ardie Savea (99) (Vice-Captain)
8. Wallace Sititi (11)
9. Finlay Christie (25)
10. Beauden Barrett (138)
11. Rieko Ioane (85)
12. Jordie Barrett (73) (Vice-Captain)
13. Billy Proctor (6)
14. Emoni Narawa (3)
15. Will Jordan (46)16. Samisoni Taukei’aho (35)
17. Tamaiti Williams (19)
18. Tyrel Lomax (45)
19. Fabian Holland (5)
20. Du’Plessis Kirifi (4)
21. Kyle Preston *
22. Quinn Tupaea (17)
23. Damian McKenzie (66)Unavailable for selection: Patrick Tuipulotu (minor facial fracture), Cortez Ratima (rib fracture), Timoci Tavatavanawai (fractured radius), Cam Roigard (foot stress fracture), Noah Hotham (high ankle sprain)
Fuck me we look pretty mediocre in the backs.
2 loosies underdone, one in his first big match, and they've flogged our lock success story until he needs to go onto the bench, and replaced him with the guy they've flogged at 6. Front row looks good these days at least.@reprobate said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Yeetyaah said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
All Blacks match-day 23 (Test caps in brackets; * denotes debutant)
1. Ethan de Groot (34)
2. Codie Taylor (100)
3. Fletcher Newell (27)
4. Scott Barrett (83) (Captain)
5. Tupou Vaa’i (42)
6. Simon Parker (1)
7. Ardie Savea (99) (Vice-Captain)
8. Wallace Sititi (11)
9. Finlay Christie (25)
10. Beauden Barrett (138)
11. Rieko Ioane (85)
12. Jordie Barrett (73) (Vice-Captain)
13. Billy Proctor (6)
14. Emoni Narawa (3)
15. Will Jordan (46)16. Samisoni Taukei’aho (35)
17. Tamaiti Williams (19)
18. Tyrel Lomax (45)
19. Fabian Holland (5)
20. Du’Plessis Kirifi (4)
21. Kyle Preston *
22. Quinn Tupaea (17)
23. Damian McKenzie (66)Unavailable for selection: Patrick Tuipulotu (minor facial fracture), Cortez Ratima (rib fracture), Timoci Tavatavanawai (fractured radius), Cam Roigard (foot stress fracture), Noah Hotham (high ankle sprain)
Fuck me we look pretty mediocre in the backs.
2 loosies underdone, one in his first big match, and they've flogged our lock success story until he needs to go onto the bench, and replaced him with the guy they've flogged at 6. Front row looks good these days at least.Flogged at 6 is a stretch. Vaai didn't play a game for a month between France test 2 and Argie test 1.
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Some great memories in this
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Really like the look of the forward pack. I'm glad that Vaa'i has been getting some good minutest at 6 but think Parker is a more natural fit in that position and I'm looking forward to seeing how the loose forward trio fronts up.
The backs are at least one step in the right direction... If Razor makes one sensible change every match for the rest of the season then we'll finish up with a good backline by the year's end.
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I like Parker in the loose still, after 4 games they put Vaa’i at lock, bit odd.
Gunna be interesting with Sititi and Savea as wide ranging loosies, SA will go straight through middle.@BorderJB said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
I like Parker in the loose still, after 4 games they put Vaa’i at lock, bit odd.
Gunna be interesting with Sititi and Savea as wide ranging loosies, SA will go straight through middle.Sititi isn’t really wide ranging defensively though.
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Gut-feeling this test comes down to how the Barrett brothers go. If they don’t turn up, we are toast - and I think it is the beginning of the end for Beauden and Scott if they don’t
@frugby kick our goals, win the test.
Despite some poor patches, we certainly create enough opportunities in front of the sticks to win
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Can we trust Rassie? Is this really going to be their matchday 23 or will he pull a last minute selection suprise? If RG Snyman is not injured then his non selection is perplexing. He's one of the best impact tight forwards in the world.
@akan004 said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Can we trust Rassie? Is this really going to be their matchday 23 or will he pull a last minute selection suprise? If RG Snyman is not injured then his non selection is perplexing. He's one of the best impact tight forwards in the world.
Boks locks are either steroid freaks or massive Vikings.
Nortje looks like a runt compared to them.
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@frugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Gut-feeling this test comes down to how the Barrett brothers go. If they don’t turn up, we are toast - and I think it is the beginning of the end for Beauden and Scott if they don’t
Scooter is Robertson's man and Robertson is Mark Robinson's man.
Can't see him being dropped.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@frugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Gut-feeling this test comes down to how the Barrett brothers go. If they don’t turn up, we are toast - and I think it is the beginning of the end for Beauden and Scott if they don’t
Scooter is Robertson's man and Robertson is Mark Robinson's man.
Can't see him being dropped.
I think with Holland on the bench there is nowhere to hide. The fact that Darry is also smashing the door down in the NPC will only add to the noise.
Every player has a used by date - I don’t think Robertson is stupid.
I’m not suggesting S Barrett is done either, but after an underwhelming start to the year, if he fires a blank and we lose, someone’s head is going to have to roll, and he along with Scott Hansen and Jason Holland looks like an onvious one.
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You can't get away from the cliche that forwards are more important than backs and we have a great set of forwards.
BB is going to have a massive impact on this game hopefully in a positive way. The biggest mistake will be shovelling crap ball to his brother. on the outside. -
Gut-feeling this test comes down to how the Barrett brothers go. If they don’t turn up, we are toast - and I think it is the beginning of the end for Beauden and Scott if they don’t
@frugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Gut-feeling this test comes down to how the Barrett brothers go. If they don’t turn up, we are toast - and I think it is the beginning of the end for Beauden and Scott if they don’t
He may be a better player now than them but arguably Jordie has more competition for his spot.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
The best solution to NZ Rugby seems to be to sack everyone and appoint Wayne Smith.
He is a failure as an administrator (HB CEO) and as an AB head coach
He was a pretty good coach for the Black Ferns (12 wins in a row I think?), Crusaders and Chiefs.. oh and Northampton Saints + Kobe Steelers Director of Rugby..
Well apart from that what has Wayne Smith ever done for us
That deserved so much more love. Some people need to review their Python ( nudge, nudge, wink, wink say no more).
@Snowy said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Donsteppa said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
The best solution to NZ Rugby seems to be to sack everyone and appoint Wayne Smith.
He is a failure as an administrator (HB CEO) and as an AB head coach
He was a pretty good coach for the Black Ferns (12 wins in a row I think?), Crusaders and Chiefs.. oh and Northampton Saints + Kobe Steelers Director of Rugby..
Well apart from that what has Wayne Smith ever done for us
That deserved so much more love. Some people need to review their Python ( nudge, nudge, wink, wink say no more).
My hovercraft is full of eels.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@frugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Gut-feeling this test comes down to how the Barrett brothers go. If they don’t turn up, we are toast - and I think it is the beginning of the end for Beauden and Scott if they don’t
Scooter is Robertson's man and Robertson is Mark Robinson's man.
Can't see him being dropped.
I don't know if Razor is Robinson's man. I think Razor held his and NZR's feet to the fire and he caved in rather than run the risk of him running overseas
According to people like Joe Schmidt & Gilbert Enoka he very much was.
"It was shambolic....Robbo had made it quite clear that he backed Razor. That’s who he wanted, it was a matter of time and whenever he could, he put the boot into us. The group never felt supported at all from the CEO. It was challenging and Foz .. bore the brunt of a lot of it. It was embarrassing really when you saw it, someone in that position and the lack of support they gave the head coach".
Thanks for clarifying. Coupled with Silverlake, the SRP COVID fiasco, Robinson won't be missed then.
Not by the likes of Hansen, Enoka, Schmidt and Foster, no. If his departure opens the door to them coming back into the NZR fold, it will be a good thing.
Equally, with Robertson under pressure, it at least gives him some stability - which has to be a good thing.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@frugby said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Gut-feeling this test comes down to how the Barrett brothers go. If they don’t turn up, we are toast - and I think it is the beginning of the end for Beauden and Scott if they don’t
Scooter is Robertson's man and Robertson is Mark Robinson's man.
Can't see him being dropped.
I don't know if Razor is Robinson's man. I think Razor held his and NZR's feet to the fire and he caved in rather than run the risk of him running overseas
According to people like Joe Schmidt & Gilbert Enoka he very much was.
"It was shambolic....Robbo had made it quite clear that he backed Razor. That’s who he wanted, it was a matter of time and whenever he could, he put the boot into us. The group never felt supported at all from the CEO. It was challenging and Foz .. bore the brunt of a lot of it. It was embarrassing really when you saw it, someone in that position and the lack of support they gave the head coach".
Thanks for clarifying. Coupled with Silverlake, the SRP COVID fiasco, Robinson won't be missed then.
Not by the likes of Hansen, Enoka, Schmidt and Foster, no. If his departure opens the door to them coming back into the NZR fold, it will be a good thing.
Equally, with Robertson under pressure, it at least gives him some stability - which has to be a good thing.
I was gutted when Schmidt left the ABs. If he carried on, we would be far better team than we are now
