All Blacks 2025
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One of the most disappointing aspects for me is Jordie came back and played really well at 12, initially. Showed more variety and incisiveness than I recall previously but has been tending back down to average. I'm sure there was a time people coming into the AB team lifted. Seems to me the backs really need a specialist gun skills coach.
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One of the most disappointing aspects for me is Jordie came back and played really well at 12, initially. Showed more variety and incisiveness than I recall previously but has been tending back down to average. I'm sure there was a time people coming into the AB team lifted. Seems to me the backs really need a specialist gun skills coach.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
One of the most disappointing aspects for me is Jordie came back and played really well at 12, initially. Showed more variety and incisiveness than I recall previously but has been tending back down to average. I'm sure there was a time people coming into the AB team lifted. Seems to me the backs really need a specialist gun skills coach.
Yup. Looked very good v France. Was not much good in Argentina.
I'm hoping some of the issues in Argentina were a function of playing overseas, out of their comfort zone, in front of away crowds. I know it's part of the task to play away but I'm just hopeful that the next 3 matches being in NZ will give the team a lift in every sense.
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I think the full RWC cycle is good as it gives enough time to get players through that you want.
But saying that, with the complete management change, Razor kept the same team last year but this he has changed about 8 or 9 players in the starting lineup, these guys have only really played 4 games together. So he is almost a year behind or more if players don’t work out. -
One of the most disappointing aspects for me is Jordie came back and played really well at 12, initially. Showed more variety and incisiveness than I recall previously but has been tending back down to average. I'm sure there was a time people coming into the AB team lifted. Seems to me the backs really need a specialist gun skills coach.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
One of the most disappointing aspects for me is Jordie came back and played really well at 12, initially. Showed more variety and incisiveness than I recall previously but has been tending back down to average. I'm sure there was a time people coming into the AB team lifted. Seems to me the backs really need a specialist gun skills coach.
Holland has never filled me with confidence and Ellison was poor as Wellington coach. I think we could definitely improve in that area.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
The again, we might be where we are now, but only a couple of months out from the World Cup.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
NZR seem to alienated most of the people who could have made a difference. That's the real tragedy for me
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I think Robertson is almost unsackable before the next RWC
NZR won't want to buy out his contract and the media/public seems a lot less critical than previous coaches. Coaches like Hansen and Henry coped more criticism with better results at the same stage
Most of his assistants are very sackable though
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I think Robertson is almost unsackable before the next RWC
NZR won't want to buy out his contract and the media/public seems a lot less critical than previous coaches. Coaches like Hansen and Henry coped more criticism with better results at the same stage
Most of his assistants are very sackable though
NZR and the media are too invested in Robertson to turn against him just yet. Ironically that's a good thing as it at least give the team some stability.
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Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
Henry told him that in the interview. He should have gone to experience a different environment instead of more Canterbury
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I think Robertson is almost unsackable before the next RWC
NZR won't want to buy out his contract and the media/public seems a lot less critical than previous coaches. Coaches like Hansen and Henry coped more criticism with better results at the same stage
Most of his assistants are very sackable though
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I think Robertson is almost unsackable before the next RWC
NZR won't want to buy out his contract and the media/public seems a lot less critical than previous coaches. Coaches like Hansen and Henry coped more criticism with better results at the same stage
Most of his assistants are very sackable though
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Every All black coach up to 2004 had zero experience as an international head coach.
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The longer it goes on the more it feels like Jase Ryan is carrying this coaching group.
Not that he's perfect mind you - but serious question marks continue to emerge on the rest, including Razor.
Tomorrow will tell a lot. I'm hopeful but no confident.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Every All black coach up to 2004 had zero experience as an international head coach.
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Every All black coach up to 2004 had zero experience as an international head coach.
i'm talking more about the selection process.
And don't forget every AB coach from 2007 had Test experience. We won 2 RWCs and came within a gnats todger of winning 3rd.
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The longer it goes on the more it feels like Jase Ryan is carrying this coaching group.
Not that he's perfect mind you - but serious question marks continue to emerge on the rest, including Razor.
Tomorrow will tell a lot. I'm hopeful but no confident.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
The longer it goes on the more it feels like Jase Ryan is carrying this coaching group.
Definitely a success, though there were some appalling forwards performances early on.
I think there's a few lessons there - It takes time to build a team & experience and continuity helps.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
The longer it goes on the more it feels like Jase Ryan is carrying this coaching group.
Definitely a success, though there were some appalling forwards performances early on.
I think there's a few lessons there - It takes time to build a team & experience and continuity helps.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2025:
The longer it goes on the more it feels like Jase Ryan is carrying this coaching group.
Definitely a success, though there were some appalling forwards performances early on.
I think there's a few lessons there - It takes time to build a team & experience and continuity helps.
You also need the right people in the roles to begin with. I question whether that is the case with much of the current set up.
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Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
The danger is once they go, the likelihood of them returning to coach in Nz greatly diminishes
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
Lets hope the new CEO is someone who puts rugby above financial deals. and heals any issues between the ABs and head office.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
The danger is once they go, the likelihood of them returning to coach in Nz greatly diminishes
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2025:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2025:
Razor should have been steered to coach a top side overseas. McMillan will be a significantly better coach for his Munster experience.
The danger is once they go, the likelihood of them returning to coach in Nz greatly diminishes
I know someone in that category, and if the NZR rates them it makes sure they are aware of AB planning.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
Lets hope the new CEO is someone who puts rugby above financial deals. and heals any issues between the ABs and head office.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Because of the way NZR treated the last coaching setup, there's probably a limited pool. Robertson is probably safe for now.
Should have been Razor having a crack after 2 years of Foster.
Could have been Joseph, Brown, Schmidt, Rennie in the mix right now if we handled the appointment processes better.
Not sure the last two years really bears that statement out.
That's hindsight though.
Getting Razor in 2 years into Foster's reign would have been very reasonable. It would also have opened up one of the 5 development slots for NZ pro coaches.
Is getting someone in now to replace Razor reasonable? Because their first two years results are pretty similar.
I would be quite OK with that
NZR should have put it's foot down, banged heads together and told Robertson to work with Foster - and then take over. Instead they let a coach with zero test experience control to the narrative
Makes you long for the days when Steve Tew ran the show
Lets hope the new CEO is someone who puts rugby above financial deals. and heals any issues between the ABs and head office.
Kirk is an experienced and pragmatic businessman.
