All Blacks v Springboks I
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
The obvious issue to me is we could not exit our 22 with Christie or BB, we have had this issue for years. Late in the game SA in their 22 and their 9 box kicks it past half way. We have to be able to exit, its fundamental yet we still can't do it.
In fact we did exit well initially, largely via Jordie's big boot. But regressed badly in last 15 or so.
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@His-Bobness which is just baffling from Razor and Co, you would think they would have encouraged more running by now or just dropped him for Love or dmac etc.
Or if there happy with the shuffle passes, create something with dummy runners or have him shuffle pass wider to runners.
Or get some variation from him, chip, cross kick, shuffle pass, up and under, round the back, inside pass, wide cut out pass, keep the opposition guessing. -
Family away so did a full rewatch.
Before that it felt like Boks came back very strongly in second half and so looked for turning points.
In fact, quarter by quarter:
First we were well ahead, two tries coming from expert analysis of Boks defence and excellent execution.
Second was pretty even.
Third we probably shaded. Boks bench changes pre 60 didn't really change much.
Fourth went to Boks on scoreboard, but they only really had ascendancy in scrums. Can't remember last time we got pushed cleanly off our ball 10m out from our line. That was a chink of light for Boks, which they did best to build on.
Pressure from kick off, kick to corner and ultimately QT try put game out of reach. Our exits were suddenly poor in last quarter.
All in all a very good win. Forwards excellent in lineout, although Boks recovered after De Jager came on. We nullified their maul and really disrupted their breakdown.
Parker a key part of that. It was notable that PDST was anonymous.
Sure, the backs didn't play champagne rugby, but conditions weren't really conducive to that, and Boks backs closed down well, albeit more dangerous once SFM came on.
Well done, Razor and staff.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Just watching the highlights
Le Roux was very unlucky for the first try
If he'd made contact with Narawa it would have been a YC and possible Penalty Try
Should Narawa have released the ball before running over to score?
Wasn't tackled, but wasn't allowed to be. A tough one to call.
Off your feet, out of the game?
"not held"
Not tackled.
@MiketheSnow nothing stopping him from jackling on his feet apart from overcommitting. Would have thought that would have compelled Narawa to release.
So not unlucky as much as clumsy.
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Pretty cool story about Jeff McTainsh, apparently he was doing the commentary for the Southland vs Canterbury Shield challenge and was passed a note saying Tony Johnson had lost his voice and he was needed at Eden Park. Flew up and did the call without any prep, awesome commitment.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
The scrum was disappointing as I thought we might have a slight edge once the reserves came on.
Lomax looked really underdone, and Williams wasn't any better. I can only assume SB was used as the TH lock so he didn't have to swap when Holland came on. @pakman will have some thoughts.
I expect Williams and Lomax were both rather underdone.
Various thoughts:
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Although I thought Sami T was excellent generally tonight, I think he's the weakest scrummaging hooker in squad. And has been playing between Tosi and Norris, so a new combo;
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Last year against Boks, Lomax had a good battle against Ox and probably shaded him. That was with Vaa'i behind him. Williams gave Malherbe real problems, with Taylor beside him and Barrett behind him.
So swapping the sides the locks scrummed on seems to have been a mistake. And by last 15 Barrett was probably tired. Vaa'i went well at TH with Holland at LH in last 20 of first two French tests.; -
Camera only really allowed good look at TH side in H1 and LH side in H2. Seemed Newell was pushing up and in, which allowed Nche to attack his chest. That said, it did seem Nche hinged a couple of times, but not blown;
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Williams didn't have a great scrummaging game, and Louw seemed clearly to get the better of him. Louw has short legs and seemed to be able to get under him.
In terms of the crucial tighthead, when Christie put the ball in, and the weight came on, Louw seemed to get under Williams almost lifting him and disconnecting him from Vaa'i. Not sure Sami was able to help. Suspect Ox swung his massive ass out towards touch and with PSDT pushing strongly on the diagonal attacked Lomax's chest. Parker also slipped off Lomax's right bum cheek, and Lomax was twisted inwards and back. Real eight man effort.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Just watching the highlights
Le Roux was very unlucky for the first try
If he'd made contact with Narawa it would have been a YC and possible Penalty Try
Should Narawa have released the ball before running over to score?
Wasn't tackled, but wasn't allowed to be. A tough one to call.
Off your feet, out of the game?
"not held"
Not tackled.
@MiketheSnow nothing stopping him from jackling on his feet apart from overcommitting. Would have thought that would have compelled Narawa to release.
So not unlucky as much as clumsy.
Agreed
Did well not to flop on him
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Pretty cool story about Jeff McTainsh, apparently he was doing the commentary for the Southland vs Canterbury Shield challenge and was passed a note saying Tony Johnson had lost his voice and he was needed at Eden Park. Flew up and did the call without any prep, awesome commitment.
Yeah I think he does a good job.
Can’t remember the last time I wrote that!
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@MajorRage said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Pretty cool story about Jeff McTainsh, apparently he was doing the commentary for the Southland vs Canterbury Shield challenge and was passed a note saying Tony Johnson had lost his voice and he was needed at Eden Park. Flew up and did the call without any prep, awesome commitment.
Yeah I think he does a good job.
Can’t remember the last time I wrote that!
I thought it was Sumo at first, he definitely did a good job. Nice to have a young commentator coming through that isn’t an ex player.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Toddy said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@booboo 69 mins and 50 something
Thanks!
Yeah. Not the greatest option.
Good on them for having a crack. But ...
Bobby (now Bob) Skinstad was on Devlin's podcast this week, and he made a comment about getting out of your half along the lines of 60m gives you a chance to scramble in defence in case of a break or error, but 30m doesn't.
Seems our philosophy is possession anywhere is an opportunity.
Both legitimate povs.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Toddy said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@booboo 69 mins and 50 something
Thanks!
Yeah. Not the greatest option.
Good on them for having a crack. But ...
Bobby (now Bob) Skinstad was on Devlin's podcast this week, and he made a comment about getting out of your half along the lines of 60m gives you a chance to scramble in defence in case of a break or error, but 30m doesn't.
Seems our philosophy is possession anywhere is an opportunity.
Both legitimate povs.
I really don’t get why we don’t use Jordie and his big boot when clearing from our 22, he gets so much more distance than both Christie and Beauden.
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@BorderJB said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Eden Park record secure…… but a wallaby could be hiding over the fence, ready to raid the lush green paddock
Aust will also be a tougher test due to their ability to use the ball, and play with width. But let's worry about Wellington first.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Toddy said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@booboo 69 mins and 50 something
Thanks!
Yeah. Not the greatest option.
Good on them for having a crack. But ...
Bobby (now Bob) Skinstad was on Devlin's podcast this week, and he made a comment about getting out of your half along the lines of 60m gives you a chance to scramble in defence in case of a break or error, but 30m doesn't.
Seems our philosophy is possession anywhere is an opportunity.
Both legitimate povs.
I really don’t get why we don’t use Jordie and his big boot when clearing from our 22, he gets so much more distance than both Christie and Beauden.
Jordie does take a little extra time with the big wind up.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@BorderJB said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Eden Park record secure…… but a wallaby could be hiding over the fence, ready to raid the lush green paddock
Aust will also be a tougher test due to their ability to use the ball, and play with width. But let's worry about Wellington first.
The Welly test is the one I’ve been most concerned about. The let down from what was always going to be a massive EP test. Potential injuries when we already have a few in the hospital ward, and the fact that I don’t think we have played well there over the last few seasons.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
@BorderJB said in All Blacks v Springboks I:
Eden Park record secure…… but a wallaby could be hiding over the fence, ready to raid the lush green paddock
Aust will also be a tougher test due to their ability to use the ball, and play with width. But let's worry about Wellington first.
The Welly test is the one I’ve been most concerned about. The let down from what was always going to be a massive EP test. Potential injuries when we already have a few in the hospital ward, and the fact that I don’t think we have played well there over the last few seasons.
The Cake Tin hasn’t been a happy hunting ground recently but we won our last test there so it’s not all doom and gloom. Important for us to back it up again in Wellington and make a statement against our biggest rivals.
