The dreaded box kick
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@booboo said in The dreaded box kick:
Harry Jones, SA podcaster, had some interesting thoughts on Devlin's DSPN shown yesterday on why box kicks are the only option as the risk of turnover inside your half is too great (and other stuff I can't remember).
Follows on from Skinstad's thoughts about playing with territory to give you more chance of defending.
This would make sense if we actually kicked long regularly, instead of often putting up box kicks from our own 22 that land (uncontested) on halfway!
I am firmly in the camp of hating box kicks. I would much rather see 12 phases of play, even if not much ground is made.
I also hate the cross kick, and was saying to a mate before Bok 1 how at least that seems to have disappeared from our game - so naturally we score off one immediately last week
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@voodoo said in The dreaded box kick:
@booboo said in The dreaded box kick:
Harry Jones, SA podcaster, had some interesting thoughts on Devlin's DSPN shown yesterday on why box kicks are the only option as the risk of turnover inside your half is too great (and other stuff I can't remember).
Follows on from Skinstad's thoughts about playing with territory to give you more chance of defending.
This would make sense if we actually kicked long regularly, instead of often putting up box kicks from our own 22 that land (uncontested) on halfway!
I am firmly in the camp of hating box kicks. I would much rather see 12 phases of play, even if not much ground is made.
I also hate the cross kick, and was saying to a mate before Bok 1 how at least that seems to have disappeared from our game - so naturally we score off one immediately last week
The problem with 12 phases of play, as someone mentioned above or on another thread, is that if your ball is slow with modern defences it is too easy to get turned over, pushed back, or penalised.
I am starting to think we need to consider pushing the defensive line back from where it is now.
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@Goffman said in The dreaded box kick:
@voodoo said in The dreaded box kick:
@booboo said in The dreaded box kick:
Harry Jones, SA podcaster, had some interesting thoughts on Devlin's DSPN shown yesterday on why box kicks are the only option as the risk of turnover inside your half is too great (and other stuff I can't remember).
Follows on from Skinstad's thoughts about playing with territory to give you more chance of defending.
This would make sense if we actually kicked long regularly, instead of often putting up box kicks from our own 22 that land (uncontested) on halfway!
I am firmly in the camp of hating box kicks. I would much rather see 12 phases of play, even if not much ground is made.
I also hate the cross kick, and was saying to a mate before Bok 1 how at least that seems to have disappeared from our game - so naturally we score off one immediately last week
The problem with 12 phases of play, as someone mentioned above or on another thread, is that if your ball is slow with modern defences it is too easy to get turned over, pushed back, or penalised.
I am starting to think we need to consider pushing the defensive line back from where it is now.
Yeah, I understand the risk, and hence the reason fror the kick - just saying I don't like to see it - from a pure enjoyment perspective I'd rather see 12 phases of pick-and-go, blokes running full steam into each other, tackle and contest, ruck and counter-ruck - than a contested 50/50 high ball that almost always results in some sloppy fumble or tap back - it's rugby union I came to see, not fricken AFL!!!
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@voodoo said in The dreaded box kick:
@Goffman said in The dreaded box kick:
@voodoo said in The dreaded box kick:
@booboo said in The dreaded box kick:
Harry Jones, SA podcaster, had some interesting thoughts on Devlin's DSPN shown yesterday on why box kicks are the only option as the risk of turnover inside your half is too great (and other stuff I can't remember).
Follows on from Skinstad's thoughts about playing with territory to give you more chance of defending.
This would make sense if we actually kicked long regularly, instead of often putting up box kicks from our own 22 that land (uncontested) on halfway!
I am firmly in the camp of hating box kicks. I would much rather see 12 phases of play, even if not much ground is made.
I also hate the cross kick, and was saying to a mate before Bok 1 how at least that seems to have disappeared from our game - so naturally we score off one immediately last week
The problem with 12 phases of play, as someone mentioned above or on another thread, is that if your ball is slow with modern defences it is too easy to get turned over, pushed back, or penalised.
I am starting to think we need to consider pushing the defensive line back from where it is now.
Yeah, I understand the risk, and hence the reason fror the kick - just saying I don't like to see it - from a pure enjoyment perspective I'd rather see 12 phases of pick-and-go, blokes running full steam into each other, tackle and contest, ruck and counter-ruck - than a contested 50/50 high ball that almost always results in some sloppy fumble or tap back - it's rugby union I came to see, not fricken AFL!!!
Yeah I figured you'd understand the risk, I was just thinking aloud.
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@MiketheSnow said in The dreaded box kick:
It can be stopped overnight
Soon as the 9 touches the ball he gets splattered
Absolutely. Limit teams to only being able to add one player to their caterpillar ruck. AND if the halfback uses their hands to get the ball from the ruck, it's out. It's BS that refs allow halfbacks to pick the ball up and then place it on the ground again when the majority of the time it's their own teammates who are restricting access to the ball.
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@taniwharugby said in The dreaded box kick:
@Dan54 I get that.
As I said, start with the caterpillar, and then maybe make it 2 hands on ball, fair game, menaing they can dig it out still...but def kill the caterpillar
Would love to see it killed off mate, no argument. And all the protection halfbacks get!
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I'll send you all out t-shirts
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@mariner4life said in The dreaded box kick:
I'll send you all out t-shirts
I'm an Extra Small
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@voodoo said in The dreaded box kick:
@mariner4life said in The dreaded box kick:
I'll send you all out t-shirts
I'm an Extra Small
, thanks mateand your shirt size?
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@mariner4life said in The dreaded box kick:
@voodoo said in The dreaded box kick:
@mariner4life said in The dreaded box kick:
I'll send you all out t-shirts
I'm an Extra Small
, thanks mateand your shirt size?
fucking walked into that didn't I?
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It’s aggravating. The default now for most international teams is – if in doubt box kick it. Compounding it is that the chance for turning it over is enough where coaches will refuse to play in their own half. When both teams have that mentality we’re stuck between the 22s box kicking and hoping for the other team to screw it up. It sucks but I don’t see an solution which won’t introduce an unintended consequence. Not sure if World Rugby even see it as an issue either.?
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@taniwharugby said in The dreaded box kick:
I reckon start by removing the caterpillar ruck, allowing the 9 to roll it back and set for the box kick.
Agree with @MiketheSnow hands on, you are free game, like it used to be as opposed to the roll it back, move it into ideal position, head up looking if the kick is still on, wait, kick
Your players should be protecting the halfback, getting more players to the ruck opens up space. One of the worst law changes.
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@taniwharugby said in The dreaded box kick:
I reckon start by removing the caterpillar ruck, allowing the 9 to roll it back and set for the box kick.
Agree with @MiketheSnow hands on, you are free game, like it used to be as opposed to the roll it back, move it into ideal position, head up looking if the kick is still on, wait, kick
Another way to limit the caterpillar ruck would be to tweak the "use it" law. Call it quicker and have less seconds to play it
That would stop the slo-mo setup and increase the chance of error.
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@Duluth said in The dreaded box kick:
@taniwharugby said in The dreaded box kick:
I reckon start by removing the caterpillar ruck, allowing the 9 to roll it back and set for the box kick.
Agree with @MiketheSnow hands on, you are free game, like it used to be as opposed to the roll it back, move it into ideal position, head up looking if the kick is still on, wait, kick
Another way to limit the caterpillar ruck would be to tweak the "use it" law. Call it quicker and have less seconds to play it
That would stop the slo-mo setup and increase the chance of error.
Keep the time the same, and call it earlier when the ball is playable. Less time to set up the abomination.
