Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion
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@taniwharugby said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
@No-Quarter dunno, NZ system is heavily weighted in the mothers favour, regardless of her situation.
Definitely could be one of those "Falling down" situations. The main losers in this will be the kids (Tom's lost out I suppose)
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@canefan said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
@taniwharugby said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
@No-Quarter dunno, NZ system is heavily weighted in the mothers favour, regardless of her situation.
Definitely could be one of those "Falling down" situations. The main losers in this will be the kids (Tom's lost out I suppose)
Yeah once life spirals out of control with one thing on top of another you can see how people with frail mental states can completely lose it.
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@Virgil said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
@MN5 said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
@Virgil said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
@Donsteppa said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
I'd like to think that even the usual ferals on social media might think twice after that photo.
reading the comments in the NZ Herald FB post is quite depressing and unsurprising at the same time
Its like hes some kind of hero now martyr.
He was and is not ever a victim, those poor kids are though.The old ‘why didn’t they just shoot him to wound him’ brigade are out in full force as usual.
yup. completely ignoring the fact that their local hero opened fire on the police with one of his kids right there with him.
It would come as no surprise to me that people who martyr him are highly correlated with those that think shooting at the police can ever be justified.
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@canefan said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
@Virgil said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
Great news they have found the other 2 kids.
Sounds like the oldest who was with Phillips helped locate themAt a camp ground. Hiding in plain sight?
Wonder if it was a safety spot, kids told to head there if he didn’t make it back after a certain period of time
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@Kiwiwomble said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
a bit disconnected from this being in Aus, i hadnt realised he was armed and would fire at police, will have to read up a bit more
Neither did I. Hadn't been following much but for some reason I thought he was some sort of modern day George Wilder. How wrong I was.
Putting his kid at risk in a police shoot-out is abominable - more so than opening up and shooting a cop in may ways. His kids have been found safe and prayers for the shot police officer and his family
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@MN5 said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
@Virgil said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
@Donsteppa said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
I'd like to think that even the usual ferals on social media might think twice after that photo.
reading the comments in the NZ Herald FB post is quite depressing and unsurprising at the same time
Its like hes some kind of hero now martyr.
He was and is not ever a victim, those poor kids are though.The old ‘why didn’t they just shoot him to wound him’ brigade are out in full force as usual.
It's the same everywhere, sadly. Seen too many Westerns
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@Virgil said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
Sounds like the oldest who was with Phillips helped locate them
She's the one I feel most sorry for. As oldest child she may well feel responsibility and that could haunt her for years
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@Victor-Meldrew yep, how tough will it be for them trying to live some form of "normal" life now after 4 years on the run with thier dad who has now been shot dead after shooting a cop.
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@voodoo said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
was he a bad egg pre-going on the run / the custody stuff? Or did that start a spiral? That's not meant to be an excuse btw, just curious as to the timeline
No excuse for the way it turned out, DM me and I’ll tell you what I heard (my parents are local to that area).
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@taniwharugby said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
@No-Quarter dunno, NZ system is heavily weighted in the mothers favour, regardless of her situation.
The whole Western world is
Over here in Taiwan, the rationale is the father usually gets custody because he is earning more. -
I hope there is an impartial review into what has happened here.
From the tidbits I've heard, the initial trigger was the custody battle, and his reaction (while extreme) was for a reason. That part needs to be fixed to prevent the sort of desperation that leads to extreme reactions.
Without all the facts, you have to wonder if either of the parents should of had custody.
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You dont keep your kids (all were under the age of 10 at the time) in the bush and on the run for nearly 4 years because you love them. You do that as a big Fuck you to their mum.
If he was a true father and wanted the best for his kids, he wouldnt have put them through living in the wild and on the run for nearly 4 years...and he certainly wouldnt have involved them in committing crimes like burglaries and ram raids..oh and he probably wouldnt have shot at armed cops while his oldest kid was right next to him.
A 12 year old girl witnessed her dad shoot a cop in the head and then watched as he was gunned down and killed.If he had no plan to use violence why was he carrying firearms??
No excuse for what he did, theres no reasonable way anyone can defend his actions
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There's a few stories around about the alternatives. Some locals supported Tom for sure, but not all.
Who knows what was in really in Tom's mind, or what he thought the end game could be. But Tom's own actions now mean that it's Tom's parents, or the kids mother as the only long term family options for the kids.
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@Donsteppa said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
There's a few stories around about the alternatives. Some locals supported Tom for sure, but not all.
Who knows what was in really in Tom's mind, or what he thought the end game could be. But Tom's own actions now mean that it's Tom's parents, or the kids mother as the only long term family options for the kids.
Hope they come down hard on those that aided him to avoid capture and especially those that supplied him with the firearms (assuming they werent his own)
The police and authorities have been given a hard time about why they simply didnt just head into the bush and grab the kids from him. Think what happened yesterday highlights why they didnt and what they feared would likely happen if they cornered him.
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@Kirwan said in Tom Phillips - NZ hide and seek champion:
Instead of an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, how about we solve the issues leading up to an extreme event so it doesn't happen again?
And how are you proposing that should be done, in the context of this thread?
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