All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@family-man said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
A Georgian ref next game I see
️Well having just read all of the first test thread and the Black ferns one, we can rest assured that if any calls go our way @MiketheSnow will be sure to point them out.
maybe he thinks we got the rub, maybe he thinks AB fans are getting cocky and he wants to correct? But for the second, I am not sure, the related threads have been fairly pessimistic!
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
maybe he thinks we got the rub,
Like home sides do generally. When read in sequence it was remarkable exercise in cherry picking decisions (which is why I remarked).
Dickson didn't seem to be as pedantic as usual, and it ended up at 10 penalties each (I think) so read into that what you will.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
maybe he thinks we got the rub,
Like home sides do generally. When read in sequence it was remarkable exercise in cherry picking decisions (which is why I remarked).
Dickson didn't seem to be as pedantic as usual, and it ended up at 10 penalties each (I think) so read into that what you will.
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
maybe he thinks we got the rub,
Like home sides do generally. When read in sequence it was remarkable exercise in cherry picking decisions (which is why I remarked).
Dickson didn't seem to be as pedantic as usual, and it ended up at 10 penalties each (I think) so read into that what you will.
The Springboks are obviously cheats consistently flouting the law and deservedly penalised, whilst he was unreasonably harsh on us.
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
maybe he thinks we got the rub,
Like home sides do generally. When read in sequence it was remarkable exercise in cherry picking decisions (which is why I remarked).
Dickson didn't seem to be as pedantic as usual, and it ended up at 10 penalties each (I think) so read into that what you will.
The Springboks are obviously cheats consistently flouting the law and deservedly penalised, whilst he was unreasonably harsh on us.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
maybe he thinks we got the rub,
Like home sides do generally. When read in sequence it was remarkable exercise in cherry picking decisions (which is why I remarked).
Dickson didn't seem to be as pedantic as usual, and it ended up at 10 penalties each (I think) so read into that what you will.
The Springboks are obviously cheats consistently flouting the law and deservedly penalised, whilst he was unreasonably harsh on us.
That's exactly how I read it too!
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@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
maybe he thinks we got the rub,
Like home sides do generally. When read in sequence it was remarkable exercise in cherry picking decisions (which is why I remarked).
Dickson didn't seem to be as pedantic as usual, and it ended up at 10 penalties each (I think) so read into that what you will.
The Springboks are obviously cheats consistently flouting the law and deservedly penalised, whilst he was unreasonably harsh on us.
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
maybe he thinks we got the rub,
Like home sides do generally. When read in sequence it was remarkable exercise in cherry picking decisions (which is why I remarked).
Dickson didn't seem to be as pedantic as usual, and it ended up at 10 penalties each (I think) so read into that what you will.
The Springboks are obviously cheats consistently flouting the law and
deservedly penalisedwere not penalised anywhere near enough, whilst he was unreasonably harsh on us.Fixed
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I’m not so harsh on Dickson’s performance. I agreed with every penalty he called on South Africa.
Fortunately this upcoming test, the ref will have no bearing on the outcome of the match given we will win by 20.
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Apart for the first 20 minutes, our kicking game was average. To me we took the foot off the throat with the Boks gradually working their way back into the game.
Justin Marshall ( don’t usually quote him ) said we lacked variation i.e. we could have kicked from 1st and 2nd as well.
I like the way Ireland do it - moving the point of attack around first and then from center field they kick long into corners. That’s how I remember.
Hate the box kick but recognise the issue with static ball and players getting smashed in the carry. Has to be something better?
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Apart for the first 20 minutes, our kicking game was average. To me we took the foot off the throat with the Boks gradually working their way back into the game.
Justin Marshall ( don’t usually quote him ) said we lacked variation i.e. we could have kicked from 1st and 2nd as well.
I like the way Ireland do it - moving the point of attack around first and then from center field they kick long into corners. That’s how I remember.
Hate the box kick but recognise the issue with static ball and players getting smashed in the carry. Has to be something better?
@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Apart for the first 20 minutes, our kicking game was average. To me we took the foot off the throat with the Boks gradually working their way back into the game.
Justin Marshall ( don’t usually quote him ) said we lacked variation i.e. we could have kicked from 1st and 2nd as well.
I like the way Ireland do it - moving the point of attack around first and then from center field they kick long into corners. That’s how I remember.
Hate the box kick but recognise the issue with static ball and players getting smashed in the carry. Has to be something better?
A well executed box kick has quite a few advantages especially when the ball is slow and the conditions aren’t great.
What I would like to see more from the ABs is attacking their secondary defensive line because we showed in glimpses that we could open it up. The Aussies did as well in both of their tests. There are opportunities to make decent metres if we show a bit of imagination from 1st 5.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Apart for the first 20 minutes, our kicking game was average. To me we took the foot off the throat with the Boks gradually working their way back into the game.
Justin Marshall ( don’t usually quote him ) said we lacked variation i.e. we could have kicked from 1st and 2nd as well.
I like the way Ireland do it - moving the point of attack around first and then from center field they kick long into corners. That’s how I remember.
Hate the box kick but recognise the issue with static ball and players getting smashed in the carry. Has to be something better?
A well executed box kick has quite a few advantages especially when the ball is slow and the conditions aren’t great.
What I would like to see more from the ABs is attacking their secondary defensive line because we showed in glimpses that we could open it up. The Aussies did as well in both of their tests. There are opportunities to make decent metres if we show a bit of imagination from 1st 5.
@ACT-Crusader it helps if your 10 isn't gun shy about taking the ball to the line, and he has something in his bag other than dinky chip kicks and grubbers...
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If someone more educated on kicking tactics could enlighten me...
What are the advantages of a box kick compared to passing to the 10 and the 10 kicking and up-and-under? Only ones I can think of are that the forwards can immediately follow up (instead of having to wait to be put on side), and that you can (potentially) get slightly more distance from a box kick.
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If the 9 from a lineout/maul does a box kick with long hang time it can potentially come down a couple of metres from touch, making recipient very vulnerable to being bundled into touch.
Seem to recall Conor Murray being great on that in test one of last Boks Lions series. -
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What is the main reason the Bok dominated territory?
They were in the AB half more than their own.
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What is the main reason the Bok dominated territory?
They were in the AB half more than their own.
BRILLIANT!!!!
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What is the main reason the Bok dominated territory?
They were in the AB half more than their own.
BRILLIANT!!!!
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What is the main reason the Bok dominated territory?
They were in the AB half more than their own.
BRILLIANT!!!!
I caught this week's Breakdown.
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What is the main reason the Bok dominated territory?
It was really only the latter part of the second half that they dominated territory. From memory they recycled the ball more with less errors. I don’t think their kicking game was the main reason.
They had a better halfback on which also helped. -
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What is the main reason the Bok dominated territory?
It was really only the latter part of the second half that they dominated territory. From memory they recycled the ball more with less errors. I don’t think their kicking game was the main reason.
They had a better halfback on which also helped.@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What is the main reason the Bok dominated territory?
It was really only the latter part of the second half that they dominated territory. From memory they recycled the ball more with less errors. I don’t think their kicking game was the main reason.
They had a better halfback on which also helped.Our increased reliance on box kicks, and their decreasing distance gained over time, along with what seemed less success with winning the ball back from those "contestable" kicks, along with the drop in Bok errors you describe, seemed to pin us into our half for a long time
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We will probably complain about box kicks less when Roigard is back, as he is generally excellent and gets a lot more distance than all of our other 9s.
