All Blacks vs Springboks II
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Rupeni was the most dangerous attacking player of all time at his peak - better than Lomu and Cullen
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Rupeni was the most dangerous attacking player of all time at his peak - better than Lomu and Cullen
I wouldn’t go that far
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Rupeni was the most dangerous attacking player of all time at his peak - better than Lomu and Cullen
I wouldn’t go that far
I would (come back from the rebuttal!!)
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What is this thing called x-factor? It’s so elusive that it’s meaning has evaded me….
Think of Reece in an AB jersey. The opposite of that. I'm happy to be of assistance.
And the rest of them. The only winger that had x-factor in the last 20 years is Rupeni. Every one else just did their job
Peak Julian Savea 'just doing his job'. Wow.
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What is this thing called x-factor? It’s so elusive that it’s meaning has evaded me….
Think of Reece in an AB jersey. The opposite of that. I'm happy to be of assistance.
And the rest of them. The only winger that had x-factor in the last 20 years is Rupeni. Every one else just did their job
Peak Julian Savea 'just doing his job'. Wow.
And doing it better than some
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Top job ACT, that was too easy eh
It’s a long time between now and kick off
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Rupeni was the most dangerous attacking player of all time at his peak - better than Lomu and Cullen
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Rupeni was the most dangerous attacking player of all time at his peak - better than Lomu and Cullen
Didn't WR change the eligibility rules out of pure fear of him playing for the ABs? At his peak he was easily as good, but his peak wasn't long unfortunately.
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I remember this try and commentary well. Andy Irvine needed another 10 metres to gun down GB.
A bit sad realising several of these guys are no longer with us!
@Chris-B
Grant Batty was so good he once made JPR Williams look silly. Nuff said.
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Rupeni was the most dangerous attacking player of all time at his peak - better than Lomu and Cullen
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Rupeni was the most dangerous attacking player of all time at his peak - better than Lomu and Cullen
Definitely better than Lomu.
Rupes had better moves and near the same explosive power. No arm tackle was ever guna stop him (nor stop Lomu for that matter). But he was always guna flame out. Zero professionalism really - haha. Enjoyed himself much more back in Fiji I'd say.
I'm thinking Cullen was just as good early on; but with the gap glide not the power. Then his knees went and it slowly faded away. Not the same player at the end.
Bit sad watching him soldier on towards the back end, when you consider his first few seasons.The only player i'd rate better as stepper would be Barry Sanders (Detroit).
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Pretty happy with the team. Good continuity and Hotham starting with Ginga on the bench is a good opportunity to develop new-ish talent backed by a 9 who's played pretty damn well in the last 2 games.
Think the back 3 are way better with DMac at 15. Want Love to have some serious game-time.
Wonder what's happened to the Vaa'i at 6 experiment?
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Pretty happy with the team. Good continuity and Hotham starting with Ginga on the bench is a good opportunity to develop new-ish talent backed by a 9 who's played pretty damn well in the last 2 games.
Think the back 3 are way better with DMac at 15. Want Love to have some serious game-time.
Wonder what's happened to the Vaa'i at 6 experiment?
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Wonder what's happened to the Vaa'i at 6 experiment?
Parker.
Plus Vaai will be the captain by 2027...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Wonder what's happened to the Vaa'i at 6 experiment?
Parker.
Plus Vaai will be the captain by 2027...
@Bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Wonder what's happened to the Vaa'i at 6 experiment?
Parker.
Plus Vaai will be the captain by 2027...
Or Sititi.
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Rupeni was the most dangerous attacking player of all time at his peak - better than Lomu and Cullen
Definitely better than Lomu.
Rupes had better moves and near the same explosive power. No arm tackle was ever guna stop him (nor stop Lomu for that matter). But he was always guna flame out. Zero professionalism really - haha. Enjoyed himself much more back in Fiji I'd say.
I'm thinking Cullen was just as good early on; but with the gap glide not the power. Then his knees went and it slowly faded away. Not the same player at the end.
Bit sad watching him soldier on towards the back end, when you consider his first few seasons.The only player i'd rate better as stepper would be Barry Sanders (Detroit).
@mohikamo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Rupeni was the most dangerous attacking player of all time at his peak - better than Lomu and Cullen
Definitely better than Lomu.
Rupes had better moves and near the same explosive power. No arm tackle was ever guna stop him (nor stop Lomu for that matter). But he was always guna flame out. Zero professionalism really - haha. Enjoyed himself much more back in Fiji I'd say.
I'm thinking Cullen was just as good early on; but with the gap glide not the power. Then his knees went and it slowly faded away. Not the same player at the end.
Bit sad watching him soldier on towards the back end, when you consider his first few seasons.The only player i'd rate better as stepper would be Barry Sanders (Detroit).
No
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What is this thing called x-factor? It’s so elusive that it’s meaning has evaded me….
According to a certain poster x-factor is a fat but fast Fijian.
I would dare not call anyone fat who was quicker than myself and the majority of pro rugby players.
I am more than happy to change it to:
According to a certain poster to have x-factor you need to play for the Blues..Whatever floats your boat. Rupeni is in my all-time XV. Unlike most of the eye patch wearing supporters who seem to have this weird obsession with their provincial favourites (to go along with their anti-Crusader/Cantab obsession), I can see greatness regardless of the colour of the jersey.
For completeness Caleb Ralph and Scott Hamilton were a close 2nd and 3rd behind the great Fijian.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I can see greatness regardless of the colour of the jersey ... For completeness Caleb Ralph and Scott Hamilton were a close 2nd and 3rd behind the great Fijian.
Should have gone to specsavers.
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@george33 Lashes gets some great oil from “his pigeons”. I wonder how much longer his pigeons will be able to leak info. .
@chchfanatic Was thinking exactly the same somethings got to give eventually
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
I think if your preferred position is fullback - which requires more skill, more vision, and has more influence/responsibility - then yes - being moved from your preferred position to a position with less tactical influence is a demotion.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
I think if your preferred position is fullback - which requires more skill, more vision, and has more influence/responsibility - then yes - being moved from your preferred position to a position with less tactical influence is a demotion.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
I think if your preferred position is fullback - which requires more skill, more vision, and has more influence/responsibility - then yes - being moved from your preferred position to a position with less tactical influence is a demotion.
So has BB been promoted or demoted to 10 from 15? Has Parker been promoted or demoted to 6 from 8? Has Vaai been promoted or demoted to lock from 6 or the other way around? Has DMac been promoted or demoted for this game? Do you have a type of Bloom's Taxonomy for rugby positions, or is it just your bias showing through once again?
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
I think if your preferred position is fullback - which requires more skill, more vision, and has more influence/responsibility - then yes - being moved from your preferred position to a position with less tactical influence is a demotion.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
I think if your preferred position is fullback - which requires more skill, more vision, and has more influence/responsibility - then yes - being moved from your preferred position to a position with less tactical influence is a demotion.
It may be - but, I think we'll only be able to tell if it's a demotion after a few more games.
I'm inclined to think it's probably more like when someone goes on holiday at your work and your boss asks you if you can go back for a week and cover for him (or her) in your old job, because no-one else knows how to do it.
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@DurryMexted said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean That approach works if you have no interest in winning games in 2-3 years time, or when injuries strike. I think its a critical job of the all blacks coach to have succession & contingency built into their squad and how they select players.
Similarly the balancing act of keeping fringe players interested in the jersey and not heading off shoreYou don't need to have players four deep in every position to have succession.
Replace players as needed with the next best cab off the rank has worked fine in the past. He hasn't even been picking the next best cab off the rank in a number of selections. Players like Fihaki and Bell were picked purely on his perceived potential over other players with a long CV of form and rounded game.
In the modern game injuries naturally force changes without having 'building depth four deep' as the primary number one focus.
Just managing injuries in the modern game will naturally build depth.
@brodean I do understand what you are saying.
I think that his approach has been reasonably balanced so far, in terms of who has actually been capped. I agree Fihaki was a weird one but he was probably an outlier. If he had been too focused on 'depth for depth sake', i doubt we would have seen Barrett start so many games at 10, or Jordie at 12
