All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Rupeni was the most dangerous attacking player of all time at his peak - better than Lomu and Cullen
Definitely better than Lomu.
Rupes had better moves and near the same explosive power. No arm tackle was ever guna stop him (nor stop Lomu for that matter). But he was always guna flame out. Zero professionalism really - haha. Enjoyed himself much more back in Fiji I'd say.
I'm thinking Cullen was just as good early on; but with the gap glide not the power. Then his knees went and it slowly faded away. Not the same player at the end.
Bit sad watching him soldier on towards the back end, when you consider his first few seasons.The only player i'd rate better as stepper would be Barry Sanders (Detroit).
@mohikamo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Rupeni was the most dangerous attacking player of all time at his peak - better than Lomu and Cullen
Definitely better than Lomu.
Rupes had better moves and near the same explosive power. No arm tackle was ever guna stop him (nor stop Lomu for that matter). But he was always guna flame out. Zero professionalism really - haha. Enjoyed himself much more back in Fiji I'd say.
I'm thinking Cullen was just as good early on; but with the gap glide not the power. Then his knees went and it slowly faded away. Not the same player at the end.
Bit sad watching him soldier on towards the back end, when you consider his first few seasons.The only player i'd rate better as stepper would be Barry Sanders (Detroit).
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
What is this thing called x-factor? It’s so elusive that it’s meaning has evaded me….
According to a certain poster x-factor is a fat but fast Fijian.
I would dare not call anyone fat who was quicker than myself and the majority of pro rugby players.
I am more than happy to change it to:
According to a certain poster to have x-factor you need to play for the Blues..Whatever floats your boat. Rupeni is in my all-time XV. Unlike most of the eye patch wearing supporters who seem to have this weird obsession with their provincial favourites (to go along with their anti-Crusader/Cantab obsession), I can see greatness regardless of the colour of the jersey.
For completeness Caleb Ralph and Scott Hamilton were a close 2nd and 3rd behind the great Fijian.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I can see greatness regardless of the colour of the jersey ... For completeness Caleb Ralph and Scott Hamilton were a close 2nd and 3rd behind the great Fijian.
Should have gone to specsavers.
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@george33 Lashes gets some great oil from “his pigeons”. I wonder how much longer his pigeons will be able to leak info. .
@chchfanatic Was thinking exactly the same somethings got to give eventually
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
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@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
I think if your preferred position is fullback - which requires more skill, more vision, and has more influence/responsibility - then yes - being moved from your preferred position to a position with less tactical influence is a demotion.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
I think if your preferred position is fullback - which requires more skill, more vision, and has more influence/responsibility - then yes - being moved from your preferred position to a position with less tactical influence is a demotion.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
I think if your preferred position is fullback - which requires more skill, more vision, and has more influence/responsibility - then yes - being moved from your preferred position to a position with less tactical influence is a demotion.
So has BB been promoted or demoted to 10 from 15? Has Parker been promoted or demoted to 6 from 8? Has Vaai been promoted or demoted to lock from 6 or the other way around? Has DMac been promoted or demoted for this game? Do you have a type of Bloom's Taxonomy for rugby positions, or is it just your bias showing through once again?
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
I think if your preferred position is fullback - which requires more skill, more vision, and has more influence/responsibility - then yes - being moved from your preferred position to a position with less tactical influence is a demotion.
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Interesting to see that Jordan has been demoted from fullback to wing.
Interesting you see that as a demotion. Played at fullback, did you?
I think if your preferred position is fullback - which requires more skill, more vision, and has more influence/responsibility - then yes - being moved from your preferred position to a position with less tactical influence is a demotion.
It may be - but, I think we'll only be able to tell if it's a demotion after a few more games.
I'm inclined to think it's probably more like when someone goes on holiday at your work and your boss asks you if you can go back for a week and cover for him (or her) in your old job, because no-one else knows how to do it.
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@DurryMexted said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@brodean That approach works if you have no interest in winning games in 2-3 years time, or when injuries strike. I think its a critical job of the all blacks coach to have succession & contingency built into their squad and how they select players.
Similarly the balancing act of keeping fringe players interested in the jersey and not heading off shoreYou don't need to have players four deep in every position to have succession.
Replace players as needed with the next best cab off the rank has worked fine in the past. He hasn't even been picking the next best cab off the rank in a number of selections. Players like Fihaki and Bell were picked purely on his perceived potential over other players with a long CV of form and rounded game.
In the modern game injuries naturally force changes without having 'building depth four deep' as the primary number one focus.
Just managing injuries in the modern game will naturally build depth.
@brodean I do understand what you are saying.
I think that his approach has been reasonably balanced so far, in terms of who has actually been capped. I agree Fihaki was a weird one but he was probably an outlier. If he had been too focused on 'depth for depth sake', i doubt we would have seen Barrett start so many games at 10, or Jordie at 12
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https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rassie-on-who-changed-his-mind-on-boks-selection/
Rassie - "“You know, we are still two in the world, ..."
Ummm... sorry to break it to you mate, but...@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rassie-on-who-changed-his-mind-on-boks-selection/
Rassie - "“You know, we are still two in the world, ..."
Ummm... sorry to break it to you mate, but...So after the young blokes/ expansive play let the Wallabies win at Ellis Park he went back to a limited gameplan. Which lost at Eden Park so he's now going back to the start..?
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I see this game as a bit of a watershed moment for Razor.
Has a decent set of forwards now; working on the backs. Recognised one or two of the back incumbents may need to move on. Recognised the talents/genius of DMac , need pace on the wings and giving Love game time. Using McCaw head in training for the mental steel. Huge game, good setup. -
@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rassie-on-who-changed-his-mind-on-boks-selection/
Rassie - "“You know, we are still two in the world, ..."
Ummm... sorry to break it to you mate, but...So after the young blokes/ expansive play let the Wallabies win at Ellis Park he went back to a limited gameplan. Which lost at Eden Park so he's now going back to the start..?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rassie-on-who-changed-his-mind-on-boks-selection/
Rassie - "“You know, we are still two in the world, ..."
Ummm... sorry to break it to you mate, but...So after the young blokes/ expansive play let the Wallabies win at Ellis Park he went back to a limited gameplan. Which lost at Eden Park so he's now going back to the start..?
Innovation. Genius.
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How ironical would it be if Boks convince ref to be tough on scrums and then we do a number on them?
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
How ironical would it be if Boks convince ref to be tough on scrums and then we do a number on them?
You would imagine we will be better at scrum time and them better in the line outs with each side prioritising their weakness’s from last week.
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How ironical would it be if Boks convince ref to be tough on scrums and then we do a number on them?
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Relatively warms and dry tonight - but, windy from the west - that's a cross breeze at the caketin?
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Relatively warms and dry tonight - but, windy from the west - that's a cross breeze at the caketin?
Always seems to swirl around in there
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@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rassie-on-who-changed-his-mind-on-boks-selection/
Rassie - "“You know, we are still two in the world, ..."
Ummm... sorry to break it to you mate, but...So after the young blokes/ expansive play let the Wallabies win at Ellis Park he went back to a limited gameplan. Which lost at Eden Park so he's now going back to the start..?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rassie-on-who-changed-his-mind-on-boks-selection/
Rassie - "“You know, we are still two in the world, ..."
Ummm... sorry to break it to you mate, but...So after the young blokes/ expansive play let the Wallabies win at Ellis Park he went back to a limited gameplan. Which lost at Eden Park so he's now going back to the start..?
He has almost dictatorial freedom in the way he selects the team.
That many changes against us at home with many new players.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Kruse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/rassie-on-who-changed-his-mind-on-boks-selection/
Rassie - "“You know, we are still two in the world, ..."
Ummm... sorry to break it to you mate, but...So after the young blokes/ expansive play let the Wallabies win at Ellis Park he went back to a limited gameplan. Which lost at Eden Park so he's now going back to the start..?
He has almost dictatorial freedom in the way he selects the team.
That many changes against us at home with many new players.
Genius or stupid?
