All Blacks 2025
-
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Meh, I'm firmly in the camp of impress at training. Players shouldn't be given caps for the hell of it.
I doubt many guys who got to this point are arseing about at training.
That's a fucking odd response. "Giving 100%" at training doesn't entitle you to a participation cap.
That's a fucking hostile response.
If you've got to be one of the 36 best players in the country, I expect they're trying to impress at training - which your "Meh" seems pretty dismissive of.
@Chris-B the competitive environment of a squad can be the making or breaking of a player. I don’t doubt for one minute that whilst there is a genuine respect amongst the playing group for those that are selected, the competitiveness would come out knowing a spot is up for grabs. Part of it is in your control and some it is not. Brodie is definitely in the latter given the pecking order is well established.
For someone like QT though, he was fighting it out with two other guys for one spot - an ageing option (ALB) and a newbie (TNT). Given he had been in tbe squad under Fozzie and came back from a terrible injury, I have no doubt that motivation was different to many others.
I’m glad the Fitzy days of ‘you know your place kid’ are gone but also the avid rotation days of Henry circa 05-06 are not a feature also.
-
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean So was he correct to pick his best team to play Italy?
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean So was he correct to pick his best team to play Italy?
Fair enough!
I'd have gone with a compromise.
-
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean So was he correct to pick his best team to play Italy?
Fair enough!
I'd have gone with a compromise.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean So was he correct to pick his best team to play Italy?
Fair enough!
I'd have gone with a compromise.
I have a lot more sympathy for the compromise that someone who looks ready should be slotted in amongst experienced players. As we're all too aware, fielding a second XV against low tier opposition tells no one anything useful.
-
@Chris-B the competitive environment of a squad can be the making or breaking of a player. I don’t doubt for one minute that whilst there is a genuine respect amongst the playing group for those that are selected, the competitiveness would come out knowing a spot is up for grabs. Part of it is in your control and some it is not. Brodie is definitely in the latter given the pecking order is well established.
For someone like QT though, he was fighting it out with two other guys for one spot - an ageing option (ALB) and a newbie (TNT). Given he had been in tbe squad under Fozzie and came back from a terrible injury, I have no doubt that motivation was different to many others.
I’m glad the Fitzy days of ‘you know your place kid’ are gone but also the avid rotation days of Henry circa 05-06 are not a feature also.
@ACT-Crusader Yeah - and I'm far from the camp of "XYZ needs to be given a go".
But, you've got to have an eye on development and give the dirty-dirties an occasional run.
This season, from here, there's very little opportunity for that. France did us a favour by sending their B team.
-
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean So was he correct to pick his best team to play Italy?
Fair enough!
I'd have gone with a compromise.
I have a lot more sympathy for the compromise that someone who looks ready should be slotted in amongst experienced players. As we're all too aware, fielding a second XV against low tier opposition tells no one anything useful.
-
No argument about any of that from me, but as I said, Razor may think that he has 3 already. You would have to ask him how he feels about their longevity.
@Snowy said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
No argument about any of that from me, but as I said, Razor may think that he has 3 already. You would have to ask him how he feels about their longevity.
How much say if any do assistant coaches have about 10? We know how Razor feels about the Mo but what about the others - do they have any influence?
-
@antipodean People need to make an impression during Super rugby.
If you're a wing and you haven't outperformed Sevu Reece, you're not really demanding his AB spot.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean People need to make an impression during Super rugby.
If you're a wing and you haven't outperformed Sevu Reece, you're not really demanding his AB spot.
What if you are a 15 and faster and score more from wing than Reece but have a bit of a catching issue at 15?
-
@nostrildamus Apparently not, or not enough for anything to change.
-
I dont think you can disregard the monetary aspect to selections.
The contractual core (and you know who they are) will be pretty much locked in until the end of this cycle (in 24 months).
Only changes - injuries.
Mo is the one major in of consequence that I can see. -
The thing is, we are no longer in an era where the big games are SA, Aus, Eng, and Feance every 3 years are the big games.
Now they are genuinely all big games
Ireland are up. Scotland are up. Argentina are up. Italy aren't awful, shit neither are Fiji.We.cant keep thinking like it's 15 years ago
-
The thing is, we are no longer in an era where the big games are SA, Aus, Eng, and Feance every 3 years are the big games.
Now they are genuinely all big games
Ireland are up. Scotland are up. Argentina are up. Italy aren't awful, shit neither are Fiji.We.cant keep thinking like it's 15 years ago
Agreed, but that only makes selection of one or two 'B' players amongst the others more important.
-
Is Lomax still our top tight head as some papers say? Methinks he has competition!
-
@ACT-Crusader Yeah - and I'm far from the camp of "XYZ needs to be given a go".
But, you've got to have an eye on development and give the dirty-dirties an occasional run.
This season, from here, there's very little opportunity for that. France did us a favour by sending their B team.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2025:
@ACT-Crusader Yeah - and I'm far from the camp of "XYZ needs to be given a go".
But, you've got to have an eye on development and give the dirty-dirties an occasional run.
This season, from here, there's very little opportunity for that. France did us a favour by sending their B team.
I think the thinking needs to change, the rwc is the big priority and then quite obviously the rugby championship/bledisloe and the games v the Boks in particular.
The EOYT are where there should be more experimentation and sometimes an occasional loss in those does the world of good in the longer run. The 1993 loss to England fuelled the 1995 team in that semi. Laurie Mains admitted that the coaching staff were really worried about England heading into the rwc 1995 but they were determined not to lose that game because of 93. The 1986 loss in Nantes was massive in focusing the 1987 ABs to get the job done versus France in the final.
I firmly think the 1996 series win in SA and the great two years of 96 and 97 happened because of the loss in the 1995 rwc final.
Losing a game here or there is not the end of the world if it leads to medium to long term growth and acts as a catalyst for future success. I'm not saying normalise failure but rather see it as an opportunity for learning and improvement.
-
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
2011 and 2015 happened because of lessons learned in 2007
Although, ironically we played worse in 2011 against the french than we did in 2007.
-
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Meh, I'm firmly in the camp of impress at training. Players shouldn't be given caps for the hell of it.
I doubt many guys who got to this point are arseing about at training.
That's a fucking odd response. "Giving 100%" at training doesn't entitle you to a participation cap.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Meh, I'm firmly in the camp of impress at training. Players shouldn't be given caps for the hell of it.
I doubt many guys who got to this point are arseing about at training.
That's a fucking odd response. "Giving 100%" at training doesn't entitle you to a participation cap.
yep,but the opposite applies, if you don't give 100% at training, you don't want to play enough.
-
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
2011 and 2015 happened because of lessons learned in 2007
Ironically Conrad Smith reckons the 2007 team had the best players
-
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
2011 and 2015 happened because of lessons learned in 2007
Ironically Conrad Smith reckons the 2007 team had the best players
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2025:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
2011 and 2015 happened because of lessons learned in 2007
Ironically Conrad Smith reckons the 2007 team had the best players
The whole group didn't know how to win, got over the hump in 2011 and reached their peak in 2015/16.
Reminds me of the Hurricanes team that lost the final to the Highlanders. I'd argue they were a better team than the one that won the following year
