All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Cannot believe in the press conference Razor basically said 'SA practice their aerial game a lot and we can't handle it'. Seriously.
No fucking way?!
All the evidence points to that being the case, but that it actually is and he actually admitted it has me shocked. I think it would actually be better if he just came out and said that our guys are just cowards when it comes to taking high balls (which is what I thought was the actual explanation).
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@Dan54
Dan - this has frustrated me for so long. We want to be the Corinthians of rugby but we just need to be more cynical. As others have said - someone gets hit high make the ref/tmo think about it etc - it's not a great look but most top tier nations do it with some success. -
Number crunching that game based on the stats on Rugby Pass.
What stands out.
Terrible tackle percentage. 71%
Terrible line out percentage: 69%
Low tackle numbers by the back row. Ardie Savea on 9, Simon Parker and Wallace Sititi on 6. Jordie Barrett (11) and Billy Proctor (10) made the most tackles.Nine line breaks made but only one of those resulted in a try. South Africa had six tries from eleven line breaks.
I think what Robertson was doing with backrow was all wrong.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Sad but we're a paper tiger now. Interesting that our own decline mirrors (at least in my view) the decline of the game as any type of spectacle that's worth watching.
Seems to also mirror the SA teams withdrawing from Super Rugby
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@Devon-Kiwi said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Sad but we're a paper tiger now. Interesting that our own decline mirrors (at least in my view) the decline of the game as any type of spectacle that's worth watching.
Seems to also mirror the SA teams withdrawing from Super Rugby
Been going on for longer than that. SA leaving is a red herring IMO. The loss of the middle tier of experienced pros from NZ rugby to Europe and Japan has had a far more damaging effect long term.
These weren’t guys that would have played for the ABs, but they brought the young guys through and instilled the work ethic and culture of excellence that is now lacking in NZ rugby.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Devon-Kiwi said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Sad but we're a paper tiger now. Interesting that our own decline mirrors (at least in my view) the decline of the game as any type of spectacle that's worth watching.
Seems to also mirror the SA teams withdrawing from Super Rugby
Been going on for longer than that. SA leaving is a red herring IMO. The loss of the middle tier of experienced pros from NZ rugby to Europe and Japan has had a far more damaging effect long term.
These weren’t guys that would have played for the ABs, but they brought the young guys through and instilled the work ethic and culture of excellence that is now lacking in NZ rugby.
We have over the hill guys and young guys.
The guys in the middle of their career foxtrot Oscar if they dont get picked for the Allblacks early on.
So we have rookies and a cozy cadre of incumbents who are almost guaranteed selection.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This one quote sums up his approach perfectly: “I don’t motivate people, I inspire people to be motivated”
I just snorted chocolate milk out my nose.
And I wasn't even drinking chocolate milk.
As it happens I'm reading Fozzie's book at the moment, and this sort of thing seems to align with the change in thinking in the NZR Halls Of Power: the commercial team are holding the reins and Corporate is the only language they speak.
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Cannot believe in the press conference Razor basically said 'SA practice their aerial game a lot and we can't handle it'. Seriously.
No fucking way?!
All the evidence points to that being the case, but that it actually is and he actually admitted it has me shocked. I think it would actually be better if he just came out and said that our guys are just cowards when it comes to taking high balls (which is what I thought was the actual explanation).
When Razor was first appointed I was pleased. That kind of comment at any level is a disgrace, let alone this level.
With comments like that and this inconsistency I have lost all faith in him and the coaching staff.
No sure if it is now possible but we still have 2 years before the next world cup. Still time for change me thinks !!! -
@junior said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Cannot believe in the press conference Razor basically said 'SA practice their aerial game a lot and we can't handle it'. Seriously.
No fucking way?!
All the evidence points to that being the case, but that it actually is and he actually admitted it has me shocked. I think it would actually be better if he just came out and said that our guys are just cowards when it comes to taking high balls (which is what I thought was the actual explanation).
I am probably missing something here, but I don't get why people are upset about this comment. It's true, isn't it?
Also, do you really think it's a good idea for him to say publicly the players are cowards? If he hasn't lost the dressing room already, he will if he says something like that.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
One thing that's very easy to fix.
Start Dalton Papali'i at 7 in the Bledisloe. He managed 19.2 tackles per 80 minutes for the Blues this season.
Those extra hits would have been damn useful on Saturday when so much else turned to custard.
Closest player to Cane on the circuit you reckon?
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@junior said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Cannot believe in the press conference Razor basically said 'SA practice their aerial game a lot and we can't handle it'. Seriously.
No fucking way?!
All the evidence points to that being the case, but that it actually is and he actually admitted it has me shocked. I think it would actually be better if he just came out and said that our guys are just cowards when it comes to taking high balls (which is what I thought was the actual explanation).
I am probably missing something here, but I don't get why people are upset about this comment. It's true, isn't it?
Also, do you really think it's a good idea for him to say publicly the players are cowards? If he hasn't lost the dressing room already, he will if he says something like that.
To me it feels like passing the buck.
'Well I only have the players for a dozen or so weeks every year, if Kiwis aren't good under the high ball and South Africa are then there's not a whole lot I can do about it.'
On the other hand, it also shows that the All Blacks knew exactly what to expect and still had no idea how to defuse it. Didn't pick the best wing in the squad under the high ball, stuck a player who's historically struggled under the high ball at fullback (McKenzie's skills are above average but he's always been disadvantaged due to his height and one half decent game there last week shouldn't have convinced anyone that he's the best man suited to dealing with the Boks bombs).
So either way, a little bit weak on his behalf.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@junior said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Cannot believe in the press conference Razor basically said 'SA practice their aerial game a lot and we can't handle it'. Seriously.
No fucking way?!
All the evidence points to that being the case, but that it actually is and he actually admitted it has me shocked. I think it would actually be better if he just came out and said that our guys are just cowards when it comes to taking high balls (which is what I thought was the actual explanation).
I am probably missing something here, but I don't get why people are upset about this comment. It's true, isn't it?
Also, do you really think it's a good idea for him to say publicly the players are cowards? If he hasn't lost the dressing room already, he will if he says something like that.
To me it feels like passing the buck.
'Well I only have the players for a dozen or so weeks every year, if Kiwis aren't good under the high ball and South Africa are then there's not a whole lot I can do about it.'
On the other hand, it also shows that the All Blacks knew exactly what to expect and still had no idea how to defuse it. Didn't pick the best wing in the squad under the high ball, stuck a player who's historically struggled under the high ball at fullback (McKenzie's skills are above average but he's always been disadvantaged due to his height and one half decent game there last week shouldn't have convinced anyone that he's the best man suited to dealing with the Boks bombs).
So either way, a little bit weak on his behalf.
They did know how to diffuse it, the're not stupid. They just weren't good enough. SA have been fine tuning that part of their game for a while now. NZ has been a bit challenged in mastering that at all levels. A bit like the 'rush' defence, and exits...
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And drop goals
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SA obviously have a systematic training system that they use to induct all players with.
I wouldn't be surprised if the All Blacks just had Jordan, Mackenzie and Carter stand in a line taking turns to jump in the air and catch unchallenged why Hotham and Christie practiced their box kicks. Maybe the extra work this week was Holland and Hansen put a few kicks up as well
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@Crazy-Horse You think the back three they selected were the best possible options given the number of high balls expected?
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Maybe NZR should run a training clinic around the NPC right now and identify backs with a natural talent for catching the high ball and these players should be contracted as outside backs in Super Rugby squads.. so their natural skills can be further refined.
