All Blacks vs Springboks II
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I think De groot needs to be moved aside he offers very little around the field and was part of a struggling front row in both tests v SA and against the Argies in game 2.
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I think De groot needs to be moved aside he offers very little around the field and was part of a struggling front row in both tests v SA and against the Argies in game 2.
plays more first receiver than BB. He's the 2nd of our dual playmakers
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@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I think De groot needs to be moved aside he offers very little around the field and was part of a struggling front row in both tests v SA and against the Argies in game 2.
plays more first receiver than BB. He's the 2nd of our dual playmakers
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I think De groot needs to be moved aside he offers very little around the field and was part of a struggling front row in both tests v SA and against the Argies in game 2.
plays more first receiver than BB. He's the 2nd of our dual playmakers
Hence why we are shit.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
We will never be a good team until we remove BB from 10. His kicking is erratic and his decision making is not good - so he can't play the kicking 10 role. His passing is slow, and he does not present a threat to the line, just stands and shovels - so he can't play the running 10.
Yeah totally agree it is a erratic as hell backline with with him not driving the team around the field.
@Chris he drives our team around like a drunk teenager, whose parents keep giving him the keys to thier once awesome but aging Rolls Royce.
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@Chris he drives our team around like a drunk teenager, whose parents keep giving him the keys to thier once awesome but aging Rolls Royce.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris he drives our team around like a drunk teenager, whose parents keep giving him the keys to thier once awesome but aging Rolls Royce.
That is a great analogy.
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@Duluth so thier top 5 has 20 involvements by thier big men, us, none, while our most involved forward is one that usually.averages a metre or so at a time...
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth so thier top 5 has 20 involvements by thier big men, us, none.
Robertson doesn't want to play a possession game with forwards driving in close. It's width or kick. I think we have the players (in NZ) to generate momentum in close. The coaches disagree and we don't try
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth so thier top 5 has 20 involvements by thier big men, us, none.
Robertson doesn't want to play a possession game with forwards driving in close. It's width or kick. I think we have the players (in NZ) to generate momentum in close. The coaches disagree and we don't try
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth so thier top 5 has 20 involvements by thier big men, us, none.
Robertson doesn't want to play a possession game with forwards driving in close. It's width or kick. I think we have the players (in NZ) to generate momentum in close. The coaches disagree and we don't try
I am interested in who you would select as our best 23 not just in this squad but everyone.
Do you have a 23 in mind ?. -
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth so thier top 5 has 20 involvements by thier big men, us, none.
Robertson doesn't want to play a possession game with forwards driving in close. It's width or kick. I think we have the players (in NZ) to generate momentum in close. The coaches disagree and we don't try
I am interested in who you would select as our best 23 not just in this squad but everyone.
Do you have a 23 in mind ?. -
Under what tactics? My point was that if we change tactics the squad would change a bit
I would prefer we play a more simple and direct possession based game. That is certainly not the opinion of these coaches
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Under what tactics? My point was that if we change tactics the squad would change a bit
I would prefer we play a more simple and direct possession based game. That is certainly not the opinion of these coaches
Under the Tactics you think is the best way forward,Not under the current coaches thinking.
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Under what tactics? My point was that if we change tactics the squad would change a bit
I would prefer we play a more simple and direct possession based game. That is certainly not the opinion of these coaches
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Under what tactics? My point was that if we change tactics the squad would change a bit
I would prefer we play a more simple and direct possession based game. That is certainly not the opinion of these coaches
given carte blanche selectorial control, who would you bring in and play where?
not a wind up, genuinely interested in what your 23 is to play that game
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Under what tactics? My point was that if we change tactics the squad would change a bit
I would prefer we play a more simple and direct possession based game. That is certainly not the opinion of these coaches
given carte blanche selectorial control, who would you bring in and play where?
not a wind up, genuinely interested in what your 23 is to play that game
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Under what tactics? My point was that if we change tactics the squad would change a bit
I would prefer we play a more simple and direct possession based game. That is certainly not the opinion of these coaches
given carte blanche selectorial control, who would you bring in and play where?
not a wind up, genuinely interested in what your 23 is to play that game
Yeah me too
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Cody at 2 and Aumua on the bench
Williams and ???
Newell and TosiPT and Darry with Scooter on the bench
Vaa’i at 6.
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i like Holland, he looks the part and should start. Love Patty T off the bench too, though his last start was pretty good.
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I haven't called for sweeping changes. I would have some different loosies and a couple of differences in the outside backs.
Papal'i at 7 to help the defence, Savea at 8 and 6 is a massive problem. Vaa'i has been the best. Sotutu on the bench
I would have Clarke, JRK & Jordan in the back three
RI on the wing was just dumb at his age. Yes he isn't the best passer but I think we can see the value of picking an excellent defensive centre
Scott Barrett demoted so he isn't an automatic starter. He's still valuable but doesn't demand a place in the 23
Not a huge number of personnel changes. I disagree with the kicking strategy
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Two players who need to be looked at seriously are Beauden Barrett and Savea. The way they play disrupts the backline and the loose forward balance. If these 100-plus test automatic picks were judged as though they only had ten or twenty caps, would they even make the team? These sorts of players are also the guys who probably aren't going to change the way they play, whereas a less experienced player may be more willing to fall in line with a new strategy.
There also needs to be coaching accountability and the assistant coaches are going to find themselves in the firing line. I think the first replacement they'll be looking for is a defensive coach. That area is a mess. Others are in trouble too but they could see improvement by just keeping things simple and sticking to a basic, low-risk game plan, at least for the time being.
The other big question I have is how they come back from that defeat mentally. As a number of people have pointed out, the team looked like they completely gave up, which isn't something All Blacks teams do. Robertson fancies himself a motivator. He's got his work cut out for here but not just for the next game - they're going to have to step up mentally week to week.
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Two players who need to be looked at seriously are Beauden Barrett and Savea. The way they play disrupts the backline and the loose forward balance. If these 100-plus test automatic picks were judged as though they only had ten or twenty caps, would they even make the team? These sorts of players are also the guys who probably aren't going to change the way they play, whereas a less experienced player may be more willing to fall in line with a new strategy.
There also needs to be coaching accountability and the assistant coaches are going to find themselves in the firing line. I think the first replacement they'll be looking for is a defensive coach. That area is a mess. Others are in trouble too but they could see improvement by just keeping things simple and sticking to a basic, low-risk game plan, at least for the time being.
The other big question I have is how they come back from that defeat mentally. As a number of people have pointed out, the team looked like they completely gave up, which isn't something All Blacks teams do. Robertson fancies himself a motivator. He's got his work cut out for here but not just for the next game - they're going to have to step up mentally week to week.
