All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth so thier top 5 has 20 involvements by thier big men, us, none.
Robertson doesn't want to play a possession game with forwards driving in close. It's width or kick. I think we have the players (in NZ) to generate momentum in close. The coaches disagree and we don't try
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth so thier top 5 has 20 involvements by thier big men, us, none.
Robertson doesn't want to play a possession game with forwards driving in close. It's width or kick. I think we have the players (in NZ) to generate momentum in close. The coaches disagree and we don't try
I am interested in who you would select as our best 23 not just in this squad but everyone.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Under what tactics? My point was that if we change tactics the squad would change a bit
I would prefer we play a more simple and direct possession based game. That is certainly not the opinion of these coaches
Under the Tactics you think is the best way forward,Not under the current coaches thinking.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Under what tactics? My point was that if we change tactics the squad would change a bit
I would prefer we play a more simple and direct possession based game. That is certainly not the opinion of these coaches
given carte blanche selectorial control, who would you bring in and play where?
not a wind up, genuinely interested in what your 23 is to play that game
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Under what tactics? My point was that if we change tactics the squad would change a bit
I would prefer we play a more simple and direct possession based game. That is certainly not the opinion of these coaches
given carte blanche selectorial control, who would you bring in and play where?
not a wind up, genuinely interested in what your 23 is to play that game
Yeah me too
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Cody at 2 and Aumua on the bench
Williams and ???
Newell and TosiPT and Darry with Scooter on the bench
Vaa’i at 6.
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i like Holland, he looks the part and should start. Love Patty T off the bench too, though his last start was pretty good.
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I haven't called for sweeping changes. I would have some different loosies and a couple of differences in the outside backs.
Papal'i at 7 to help the defence, Savea at 8 and 6 is a massive problem. Vaa'i has been the best. Sotutu on the bench
I would have Clarke, JRK & Jordan in the back three
RI on the wing was just dumb at his age. Yes he isn't the best passer but I think we can see the value of picking an excellent defensive centre
Scott Barrett demoted so he isn't an automatic starter. He's still valuable but doesn't demand a place in the 23
Not a huge number of personnel changes. I disagree with the kicking strategy
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Two players who need to be looked at seriously are Beauden Barrett and Savea. The way they play disrupts the backline and the loose forward balance. If these 100-plus test automatic picks were judged as though they only had ten or twenty caps, would they even make the team? These sorts of players are also the guys who probably aren't going to change the way they play, whereas a less experienced player may be more willing to fall in line with a new strategy.
There also needs to be coaching accountability and the assistant coaches are going to find themselves in the firing line. I think the first replacement they'll be looking for is a defensive coach. That area is a mess. Others are in trouble too but they could see improvement by just keeping things simple and sticking to a basic, low-risk game plan, at least for the time being.
The other big question I have is how they come back from that defeat mentally. As a number of people have pointed out, the team looked like they completely gave up, which isn't something All Blacks teams do. Robertson fancies himself a motivator. He's got his work cut out for here but not just for the next game - they're going to have to step up mentally week to week.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal the team will win strongly for the next game, and then be shit the next. Papering over cracks and ensuring we don't win anything of note.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Two players who need to be looked at seriously are Beauden Barrett and Savea. The way they play disrupts the backline and the loose forward balance. If these 100-plus test automatic picks were judged as though they only had ten or twenty caps, would they even make the team? These sorts of players are also the guys who probably aren't going to change the way they play, whereas a less experienced player may be more willing to fall in line with a new strategy.
There also needs to be coaching accountability and the assistant coaches are going to find themselves in the firing line. I think the first replacement they'll be looking for is a defensive coach. That area is a mess. Others are in trouble too but they could see improvement by just keeping things simple and sticking to a basic, low-risk game plan, at least for the time being.
The other big question I have is how they come back from that defeat mentally. As a number of people have pointed out, the team looked like they completely gave up, which isn't something All Blacks teams do. Robertson fancies himself a motivator. He's got his work cut out for here but not just for the next game - they're going to have to step up mentally week to week.
Ardie still has the X factor and should be picked provided the loose forward balance is right.,
Beaudie needs to be put out to pasture. Well past it.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@ShaquilleOatmeal the team will win strongly for the next game, and then be shit the next. Papering over cracks and ensuring we don't win anything of note.
Yep. In between those two games a couple of players will likely proclaim that they've "proved the doubters wrong". Then proceed to foul the nest again like Wellington & Argentina II.
It's rinse and repeat under Dumb and Dumber.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris he drives our team around like a drunk teenager, whose parents keep giving him the keys to thier once awesome but aging Rolls Royce.
And yet so many posters didn't think it was a good idea to give Plummer a go, because he's too "boring"
.I sound like a bloody fanboy, but I'm not. I just thought that his skill set and the way he played for the Blues in their winning season suited test rugby
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I think our problem is that we're treating test rugby differently to super rugby.
We're terrified to play with the ball in hand.
Australia has genuinely made a mockery of that viewpoint this year.They are literally playing super rugby at test rugby level, and shouldve had a Lions series win and already have a drawn series away to South Africa to show for it.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal although after playing 6 games where kicking game has been being the game plan, BB did play the passing and side to side game on Saturday, 1st time this year, it was pretty rusty.
While Ardie is suited to finishing the last 20 or set up with two ruck happy Flankers. Ardie followed the expansive game plan setting himself among the backs out wide, link player etc on Saturday. -
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris he drives our team around like a drunk teenager, whose parents keep giving him the keys to thier once awesome but aging Rolls Royce.
And yet so many posters didn't think it was a good idea to give Plummer a go, because he's too "boring"
.I sound like a bloody fanboy, but I'm not. I just thought that his skill set and the way he played for the Blues in their winning season suited test rugby
I didn't think Plummer should of got a go, just because I never thought he was good enough. I don't care how exciting or boring a player is, it's how good.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I think our problem is that we're treating test rugby differently to super rugby.
We're terrified to play with the ball in hand.
Australia has genuinely made a mockery of that viewpoint this year.They are literally playing super rugby at test rugby level, and shouldve had a Lions series win and already have a drawn series away to South Africa to show for it.
It is fine to kick the ball away if you have the aggressive defence to force mistakes and turnovers. Turnover ball has been a core part of AB gameplan for some time.
ABs don’t have that defence right now, so aren’t getting the broken field opportunities.
What is the current AB DNA?
