All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Carter is not a test wing can’t tackle crap under the high ball
People wanted to see if he could perform at test level. Can’t complain when the coaches give people what they want
Meanwhile, the one back three squad member who is great under high ball ISN’T picked.
If talking about Love, he did get a chance to cameo and didn’t cover himself in glory either.
In fairness, that is probably being too harsh on him. When everyone else on the pitch had lost their heads, what is a young man with little international experience supposed to do?
Rassie did make a point post-match that even though his team looked like it was inexperienced on paper, only 2 (I think) of his 23 man squad had less than 10 caps. ABs had 8 players in the 23 with less than 10 caps. The capitulation on the ABs had everything to do with senior leaders not setting the example and stemming the bleeding. They started the rot that spread throughout the entire team. The subs just added to the chaos.
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@OomPB said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Good news everyone, the extended highlights are on YouTube now:
Great to watch the highlights again.
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@OomPB said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Duluth said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Good news everyone, the extended highlights are on YouTube now:
Great to watch the highlights again.
Something tells me this will be required viewing every Christmas in Bok supporters homes
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders I meant Clarke.
in fairness, he has been injured. For once, they may not be rushing someone back too quickly.
He should be in the mix for the Bledisloe games. If not, there are some real issues with selection going on.
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders I meant Clarke.
in fairness, he has been injured. For once, they may not be rushing someone back too quickly.
He should be in the mix for the Bledisloe games. If not, there are some real issues with selection going on.
He played two games for Auckland in the two weeks prior to this match. He's had a lot more recent rugby than Noah Hotham (or Simon Parker prior to his debut the other week).
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@OomPB said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@stodders not often to see Libbok performing that well. as a Stormer supporter if our three musketeers (Libbok/SMZ/Gazza) get it right its eye candy. Just to fail in the next 10 tests.
When he is on, Manie is your best attacking 10. When he is off…oof!
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Last quarter rewatch to flow, but what is apparent is:
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Taking off Parker and Sititi lessened our ruck effectiveness and in particular the defence around the ruck disappeared;
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Taking off Proctor and Carter lessened our attacking effectiveness and backs defensive alignment fell apart;
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Scooter looked gassed at end, so the No brainer was for FH to replace him, rather than Parker;
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When we need to reset and gather composure, better to get ball out in oppo half rather than go for their 22: BB and Jordan I’m talking about you;
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When we are under the pump quit the fancy Dan crap: Vaa’l lineout call at 60, BB kick passes (FFS!!!), RD chip; and
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Hold the ball in two hands when diving for try line. No guesses for whom I’m talking about.
Half of those the coaches, the others SENIOR players.
KISS and we lose that by 10 max.
It was like watching the Harlem Globetrotters in
last 5.
Beaver highlights glaring lack of communication in last quarter or so:
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@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Fist half thoughts:
Early on the ABs looked good if a little shaky under line speed pressure.
The first AB try was very nice. The intercept from Kolbe was a lack of eyes-up play by Proctor. Could have scored at the other end but the pace got to him.
Vaai is a dickhead. Not really a profound observation
maybe he should concentrate on pushing at scrums instead of clapping and laughing?Wiesse is the avatar of rip and tear.
Boks scrum going great guns with 30 gone.
B Barrett looking ponderous and slow. He doesn't like heavy traffic. Failed to exit right before half-time which was a basic bitch error.
New Bok winger is bloody useful.
AB defensive line noticeably crooked. Pushing hard in the first 2 channels but lagging a bit wider.
AB Lineout at 35:50 - wtf happened??
Everyone playing as frantically as a virgin couple on their wedding night. With about as satisfying a result.
Lot of injuries and HIA.
Impression: Boks are ascendant but not finishing their opportunities. ABs are attacking from depth - too deep IMHO - but lacking a bit of subtlety; not much in the way of deception.
Bed time. Second half tomorrow.
Great overall insights as ever Nick.
The bolded bit is not so much because I feel you're wrong - too much - but more because on replay you have to admire how Cheslin pressured him to pass, with the intention of then trying for the intercept. -
@Billy-Webb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Fist half thoughts:
Early on the ABs looked good if a little shaky under line speed pressure.
The first AB try was very nice. The intercept from Kolbe was a lack of eyes-up play by Proctor. Could have scored at the other end but the pace got to him.
Vaai is a dickhead. Not really a profound observation
maybe he should concentrate on pushing at scrums instead of clapping and laughing?Wiesse is the avatar of rip and tear.
Boks scrum going great guns with 30 gone.
B Barrett looking ponderous and slow. He doesn't like heavy traffic. Failed to exit right before half-time which was a basic bitch error.
New Bok winger is bloody useful.
AB defensive line noticeably crooked. Pushing hard in the first 2 channels but lagging a bit wider.
AB Lineout at 35:50 - wtf happened??
Everyone playing as frantically as a virgin couple on their wedding night. With about as satisfying a result.
Lot of injuries and HIA.
Impression: Boks are ascendant but not finishing their opportunities. ABs are attacking from depth - too deep IMHO - but lacking a bit of subtlety; not much in the way of deception.
Bed time. Second half tomorrow.
Great overall insights as ever Nick.
The bolded bit is not so much because I feel you're wrong - too much - but more because on replay you have to admire how Cheslin pressured him to pass, with the intention of then trying for the intercept.That was payback for Cheslin being sent to the next week last weekend
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Given the box kick requires the attacking team to set up, our defence is not responding, nor are they getting back behind our man in the air to support...sure.this maybe an isolated look, but just highlights a lack of direction or an inability to respond appropriately
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris he drives our team around like a drunk teenager, whose parents keep giving him the keys to thier once awesome but aging Rolls Royce.
And yet so many posters didn't think it was a good idea to give Plummer a go, because he's too "boring"
.I sound like a bloody fanboy, but I'm not. I just thought that his skill set and the way he played for the Blues in their winning season suited test rugby
I didn't think Plummer should of got a go, just because I never thought he was good enough. I don't care how exciting or boring a player is, it's how good.
How can you honestly know? He outduelled DMac in the SR final for starters, and played consistently at a high level during that SR season. He deserved a legitimate shot
Mate, just like everyone else, it's my opinion. Hell I saw players outplat Richie McCaw in the odd game too, didn't make them test players for me. As I recall he was played at 12 a bit for Blues as there was often someone else they had that was better at 10, didn't he basically play when Perofeta was injured? Not sure as I not Blues man, and don't get me wrong always thought Plummer was a good player, just never thought of him as a test player.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris he drives our team around like a drunk teenager, whose parents keep giving him the keys to thier once awesome but aging Rolls Royce.
And yet so many posters didn't think it was a good idea to give Plummer a go, because he's too "boring"
.I sound like a bloody fanboy, but I'm not. I just thought that his skill set and the way he played for the Blues in their winning season suited test rugby
I didn't think Plummer should of got a go, just because I never thought he was good enough. I don't care how exciting or boring a player is, it's how good.
How can you honestly know? He outduelled DMac in the SR final for starters, and played consistently at a high level during that SR season. He deserved a legitimate shot
Mate, just like everyone else, it's my opinion. Hell I saw players outplat Richie McCaw in the odd game too, didn't make them test players for me. As I recall he was played at 12 a bit for Blues as there was often someone else they had that was better at 10, didn't he basically play when Perofeta was injured? Not sure as I not Blues man, and don't get me wrong always thought Plummer was a good player, just never thought of him as a test player.
I've never rated Perofeta. Plummer offered a point of difference. We can only talk hypothetically now, as he was never tested
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@Billy-Webb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Fist half thoughts:
Early on the ABs looked good if a little shaky under line speed pressure.
The first AB try was very nice. The intercept from Kolbe was a lack of eyes-up play by Proctor. Could have scored at the other end but the pace got to him.
Vaai is a dickhead. Not really a profound observation
maybe he should concentrate on pushing at scrums instead of clapping and laughing?Wiesse is the avatar of rip and tear.
Boks scrum going great guns with 30 gone.
B Barrett looking ponderous and slow. He doesn't like heavy traffic. Failed to exit right before half-time which was a basic bitch error.
New Bok winger is bloody useful.
AB defensive line noticeably crooked. Pushing hard in the first 2 channels but lagging a bit wider.
AB Lineout at 35:50 - wtf happened??
Everyone playing as frantically as a virgin couple on their wedding night. With about as satisfying a result.
Lot of injuries and HIA.
Impression: Boks are ascendant but not finishing their opportunities. ABs are attacking from depth - too deep IMHO - but lacking a bit of subtlety; not much in the way of deception.
Bed time. Second half tomorrow.
Great overall insights as ever Nick.
The bolded bit is not so much because I feel you're wrong - too much - but more because on replay you have to admire how Cheslin pressured him to pass, with the intention of then trying for the intercept.With all the talk of proctor coming in because he’s a distributing centre , he didn’t do the basics there and make the defender commit to him before he passed .
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Billy-Webb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Fist half thoughts:
Early on the ABs looked good if a little shaky under line speed pressure.
The first AB try was very nice. The intercept from Kolbe was a lack of eyes-up play by Proctor. Could have scored at the other end but the pace got to him.
Vaai is a dickhead. Not really a profound observation
maybe he should concentrate on pushing at scrums instead of clapping and laughing?Wiesse is the avatar of rip and tear.
Boks scrum going great guns with 30 gone.
B Barrett looking ponderous and slow. He doesn't like heavy traffic. Failed to exit right before half-time which was a basic bitch error.
New Bok winger is bloody useful.
AB defensive line noticeably crooked. Pushing hard in the first 2 channels but lagging a bit wider.
AB Lineout at 35:50 - wtf happened??
Everyone playing as frantically as a virgin couple on their wedding night. With about as satisfying a result.
Lot of injuries and HIA.
Impression: Boks are ascendant but not finishing their opportunities. ABs are attacking from depth - too deep IMHO - but lacking a bit of subtlety; not much in the way of deception.
Bed time. Second half tomorrow.
Great overall insights as ever Nick.
The bolded bit is not so much because I feel you're wrong - too much - but more because on replay you have to admire how Cheslin pressured him to pass, with the intention of then trying for the intercept.With all the talk of proctor coming in because he’s a distributing centre , he didn’t do the basics there and make the defender commit to him before he passed .
Proctor must be seriously running out of chances.
Past AB coaches jettisoned Laumape and Moala quicker than this.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Billy-Webb said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Fist half thoughts:
Early on the ABs looked good if a little shaky under line speed pressure.
The first AB try was very nice. The intercept from Kolbe was a lack of eyes-up play by Proctor. Could have scored at the other end but the pace got to him.
Vaai is a dickhead. Not really a profound observation
maybe he should concentrate on pushing at scrums instead of clapping and laughing?Wiesse is the avatar of rip and tear.
Boks scrum going great guns with 30 gone.
B Barrett looking ponderous and slow. He doesn't like heavy traffic. Failed to exit right before half-time which was a basic bitch error.
New Bok winger is bloody useful.
AB defensive line noticeably crooked. Pushing hard in the first 2 channels but lagging a bit wider.
AB Lineout at 35:50 - wtf happened??
Everyone playing as frantically as a virgin couple on their wedding night. With about as satisfying a result.
Lot of injuries and HIA.
Impression: Boks are ascendant but not finishing their opportunities. ABs are attacking from depth - too deep IMHO - but lacking a bit of subtlety; not much in the way of deception.
Bed time. Second half tomorrow.
Great overall insights as ever Nick.
The bolded bit is not so much because I feel you're wrong - too much - but more because on replay you have to admire how Cheslin pressured him to pass, with the intention of then trying for the intercept.With all the talk of proctor coming in because he’s a distributing centre , he didn’t do the basics there and make the defender commit to him before he passed .
Think you have to give Kolbe a fair amount of credit there. He shaped to commit to the tackle and then changed with great speed to snare the intercept. He fooled Proctor, but I think many players would have got done there.
Most players make decisions based on the shapes and body language they see. When you look at it from behind Proctor, Kolbe makes the shape to tackle. If Kolbe had committed to the tackle and Proctor had held on, there would be howls that he didn’t pass.
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@stodders yeah he came in prepared and was.set to step off his foot, and in such a.tight space it was easier than if there was a metre or so more space for Proctor and Parker, that said, a dummy would have opened it up.
