All Blacks vs Springboks II
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Two players who need to be looked at seriously are Beauden Barrett and Savea. The way they play disrupts the backline and the loose forward balance. If these 100-plus test automatic picks were judged as though they only had ten or twenty caps, would they even make the team? These sorts of players are also the guys who probably aren't going to change the way they play, whereas a less experienced player may be more willing to fall in line with a new strategy.
There also needs to be coaching accountability and the assistant coaches are going to find themselves in the firing line. I think the first replacement they'll be looking for is a defensive coach. That area is a mess. Others are in trouble too but they could see improvement by just keeping things simple and sticking to a basic, low-risk game plan, at least for the time being.
The other big question I have is how they come back from that defeat mentally. As a number of people have pointed out, the team looked like they completely gave up, which isn't something All Blacks teams do. Robertson fancies himself a motivator. He's got his work cut out for here but not just for the next game - they're going to have to step up mentally week to week.
@ShaquilleOatmeal although after playing 6 games where kicking game has been being the game plan, BB did play the passing and side to side game on Saturday, 1st time this year, it was pretty rusty.
While Ardie is suited to finishing the last 20 or set up with two ruck happy Flankers. Ardie followed the expansive game plan setting himself among the backs out wide, link player etc on Saturday. -
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris he drives our team around like a drunk teenager, whose parents keep giving him the keys to thier once awesome but aging Rolls Royce.
And yet so many posters didn't think it was a good idea to give Plummer a go, because he's too "boring"
.I sound like a bloody fanboy, but I'm not. I just thought that his skill set and the way he played for the Blues in their winning season suited test rugby
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris he drives our team around like a drunk teenager, whose parents keep giving him the keys to thier once awesome but aging Rolls Royce.
And yet so many posters didn't think it was a good idea to give Plummer a go, because he's too "boring"
.I sound like a bloody fanboy, but I'm not. I just thought that his skill set and the way he played for the Blues in their winning season suited test rugby
I didn't think Plummer should of got a go, just because I never thought he was good enough. I don't care how exciting or boring a player is, it's how good.
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I think our problem is that we're treating test rugby differently to super rugby.
We're terrified to play with the ball in hand.
Australia has genuinely made a mockery of that viewpoint this year.They are literally playing super rugby at test rugby level, and shouldve had a Lions series win and already have a drawn series away to South Africa to show for it.
@kpkanz said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
I think our problem is that we're treating test rugby differently to super rugby.
We're terrified to play with the ball in hand.
Australia has genuinely made a mockery of that viewpoint this year.They are literally playing super rugby at test rugby level, and shouldve had a Lions series win and already have a drawn series away to South Africa to show for it.
It is fine to kick the ball away if you have the aggressive defence to force mistakes and turnovers. Turnover ball has been a core part of AB gameplan for some time.
ABs don’t have that defence right now, so aren’t getting the broken field opportunities.
What is the current AB DNA?
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@Kiwidom said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
When will nzrfu admit that breaking away from sth African super teams has seriously damaged us..super doesn't prepare us for this type of physical rugby
But South Africa chose to broke away? Not us?
@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Kiwidom said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
When will nzrfu admit that breaking away from sth African super teams has seriously damaged us..super doesn't prepare us for this type of physical rugby
But South Africa chose to broke away? Not us?
Erroneous.
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Mark Robinson should've spent less time nodding along at Jacinda’s Fortress NZ routine and more time safeguarding the future of Super Rugby.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Two players who need to be looked at seriously are Beauden Barrett and Savea. The way they play disrupts the backline and the loose forward balance. If these 100-plus test automatic picks were judged as though they only had ten or twenty caps, would they even make the team? These sorts of players are also the guys who probably aren't going to change the way they play, whereas a less experienced player may be more willing to fall in line with a new strategy.
There also needs to be coaching accountability and the assistant coaches are going to find themselves in the firing line. I think the first replacement they'll be looking for is a defensive coach. That area is a mess. Others are in trouble too but they could see improvement by just keeping things simple and sticking to a basic, low-risk game plan, at least for the time being.
The other big question I have is how they come back from that defeat mentally. As a number of people have pointed out, the team looked like they completely gave up, which isn't something All Blacks teams do. Robertson fancies himself a motivator. He's got his work cut out for here but not just for the next game - they're going to have to step up mentally week to week.
Ardie still has the X factor and should be picked provided the loose forward balance is right.,
Beaudie needs to be put out to pasture. Well past it.
@MN5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Two players who need to be looked at seriously are Beauden Barrett and Savea. The way they play disrupts the backline and the loose forward balance. If these 100-plus test automatic picks were judged as though they only had ten or twenty caps, would they even make the team? These sorts of players are also the guys who probably aren't going to change the way they play, whereas a less experienced player may be more willing to fall in line with a new strategy.
There also needs to be coaching accountability and the assistant coaches are going to find themselves in the firing line. I think the first replacement they'll be looking for is a defensive coach. That area is a mess. Others are in trouble too but they could see improvement by just keeping things simple and sticking to a basic, low-risk game plan, at least for the time being.
The other big question I have is how they come back from that defeat mentally. As a number of people have pointed out, the team looked like they completely gave up, which isn't something All Blacks teams do. Robertson fancies himself a motivator. He's got his work cut out for here but not just for the next game - they're going to have to step up mentally week to week.
Ardie still has the X factor and should be picked provided the loose forward balance is right.,
Is that X factor when he chip kicks to the opposition immediately placing us under pressure?
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
When Victor dead-pan asked JK if he "Was going to pull through"
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@akan004 Martin Devlin too.
https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1966788068607680994?s=46
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 Martin Devlin too.
https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1966788068607680994?s=46
Well Devlin would have been taking shots at them even if they'd won, while hyping up the Warriors heroic loss.
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
When Victor dead-pan asked JK if he "Was going to pull through"
@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
When Victor dead-pan asked JK if he "Was going to pull through"
I guess this was always going to be the reaction when the Boks finally broke free of their professional era oppressors
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris he drives our team around like a drunk teenager, whose parents keep giving him the keys to thier once awesome but aging Rolls Royce.
And yet so many posters didn't think it was a good idea to give Plummer a go, because he's too "boring"
.I sound like a bloody fanboy, but I'm not. I just thought that his skill set and the way he played for the Blues in their winning season suited test rugby
I didn't think Plummer should of got a go, just because I never thought he was good enough. I don't care how exciting or boring a player is, it's how good.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Chris he drives our team around like a drunk teenager, whose parents keep giving him the keys to thier once awesome but aging Rolls Royce.
And yet so many posters didn't think it was a good idea to give Plummer a go, because he's too "boring"
.I sound like a bloody fanboy, but I'm not. I just thought that his skill set and the way he played for the Blues in their winning season suited test rugby
I didn't think Plummer should of got a go, just because I never thought he was good enough. I don't care how exciting or boring a player is, it's how good.
How can you honestly know? He outduelled DMac in the SR final for starters, and played consistently at a high level during that SR season. He deserved a legitimate shot
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@game_film said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
- Thought Proctor had his best game in black. Not a massively high bar, but saw the glimmerings of promise.
Mate, if his best game includes throwing Kolbe a dog biscuit we’re in trouble.
I'm a fan. But some guys look born ready for the big stage, and I'm not sure he does. Doesn't look any better than Rieko so far, and at least Rieko was a watertight defender
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@game_film said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
- Thought Proctor had his best game in black. Not a massively high bar, but saw the glimmerings of promise.
Mate, if his best game includes throwing Kolbe a dog biscuit we’re in trouble.
I'm a fan. But some guys look born ready for the big stage, and I'm not sure he does. Doesn't look any better than Rieko so far, and at least Rieko was a watertight defender
There was one play where he ran up to the attacker, didn't commit, then ran wide to get who the ball was passed to and completely missed the tackle. I was genuinely confused what was going through his head.
BB also had a moment like this when they scored where he just ran around without committing himself to a tackle on a couple of players.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Kiwidom said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
When will nzrfu admit that breaking away from sth African super teams has seriously damaged us..super doesn't prepare us for this type of physical rugby
But South Africa chose to broke away? Not us?
Erroneous.
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Mark Robinson should've spent less time nodding along at Jacinda’s Fortress NZ routine and more time safeguarding the future of Super Rugby.
@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Kiwidom said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
When will nzrfu admit that breaking away from sth African super teams has seriously damaged us..super doesn't prepare us for this type of physical rugby
But South Africa chose to broke away? Not us?
Erroneous.
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Mark Robinson should've spent less time nodding along at Jacinda’s Fortress NZ routine and more time safeguarding the future of Super Rugby.
Fuck off, the entire world was fucked at that time including South Africa who's airports were closed to international flights between late March and June 2020 (not sure how the fuck we would have all been playing games - on the PS4).
South Africa had been threatening to leave for a decade, already had teams in Europe, and NZ and Aus shared comp (2021) occurred after the Saffas threw their toys out of the cot (2020). They even claimed they left because it was a slight that we decided to hold our own domestic competition when it was the only competition available to us.
I love the Boks as our old enemy, but Saffa rugby trotting out this bullshit can go fuck itself.
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@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Kiwidom said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
When will nzrfu admit that breaking away from sth African super teams has seriously damaged us..super doesn't prepare us for this type of physical rugby
But South Africa chose to broke away? Not us?
Erroneous.
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Mark Robinson should've spent less time nodding along at Jacinda’s Fortress NZ routine and more time safeguarding the future of Super Rugby.
Fuck off, the entire world was fucked at that time including South Africa who's airports were closed to international flights between late March and June 2020 (not sure how the fuck we would have all been playing games - on the PS4).
South Africa had been threatening to leave for a decade, already had teams in Europe, and NZ and Aus shared comp (2021) occurred after the Saffas threw their toys out of the cot (2020). They even claimed they left because it was a slight that we decided to hold our own domestic competition when it was the only competition available to us.
I love the Boks as our old enemy, but Saffa rugby trotting out this bullshit can go fuck itself.
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Kiwidom said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
When will nzrfu admit that breaking away from sth African super teams has seriously damaged us..super doesn't prepare us for this type of physical rugby
But South Africa chose to broke away? Not us?
Erroneous.
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Mark Robinson should've spent less time nodding along at Jacinda’s Fortress NZ routine and more time safeguarding the future of Super Rugby.
Fuck off, the entire world was fucked at that time including South Africa who's airports were closed to international flights between late March and June 2020 (not sure how the fuck we would have all been playing games - on the PS4).
South Africa had been threatening to leave for a decade, already had teams in Europe, and NZ and Aus shared comp (2021) occurred after the Saffas threw their toys out of the cot (2020). They even claimed they left because it was a slight that we decided to hold our own domestic competition when it was the only competition available to us.
I love the Boks as our old enemy, but Saffa rugby trotting out this bullshit can go fuck itself.
This, 100%. South African rugby wanted more pie because they brought more TV revenue. They didn’t get it within SANZAR, so COVID gave them the excuse they needed to shift north, which as Nepia rightly points out had been threatened for some time (unless they got what they wanted).
South Africa did what it wanted purely for their own needs. That’s fine. But don’t try and dress it up as a result of something the Antipodean cousins did. Own it.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@akan004 Martin Devlin too.
https://twitter.com/martindevlinnz/status/1966788068607680994?s=46
Well Devlin would have been taking shots at them even if they'd won, while hyping up the Warriors heroic loss.
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@Kiwidom said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
When will nzrfu admit that breaking away from sth African super teams has seriously damaged us..super doesn't prepare us for this type of physical rugby
But South Africa chose to broke away? Not us?
Erroneous.
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Mark Robinson should've spent less time nodding along at Jacinda’s Fortress NZ routine and more time safeguarding the future of Super Rugby.
@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Argentina didn't cry about it. They turned up and made history.
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@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Argentina didn't cry about it. They turned up and made history.
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@PN said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
The reality is, during COVID, travel restrictions from the Hermit Kingdom left SA teams with no real option but to head north. Let’s not pretend they had much choice when NZ and AU cooked up a shared comp and left SA out in the cold.
Argentina didn't cry about it. They turned up and made history.
Have you finished watching the match back yet? Intrigued to know your thoughts.
