Stupid ideas to fix rugby
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I was watching some youtube videos of old rugby games (YouTube algorithm must have been trying to cheer me up) and I had the following thoughts;
1 - Michael Jones was even better than I remembered
2 - We should make the ball heavier (bonus points for making it brown)
3- Lifting in lineouts is horrible, I preferred the carnage of the old lineouts - an actual contest
4 - Call scrums from rucks more often, that's disappeared from the modern gameObviously the ruck needs work, that probably needs it's own thread. But I think making the ball heavier and reducing the distance you can do for passing and kicking would be a good thing.
Lineouts carnage was far more interesting and skillful, and a genuine contest for possession. Would make it harder to create a lineout drive too.
We have dumbed down rugby, lets reverse the trend, make getting tired part of the game again and get the players smaller as a result.
Come at me.
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I'd be all for reducing kicking distance - not being able to kick long is a big part of what makes the women's game fun to watch.
I'm already a broken record on getting players smaller and fitter.
The lineouts one is interesting. Would probably stop the boring-arse 'get a penalty 5 out and go to yet another lineout' rinse and repeat. I think if you did that and made the scrum feed have to go in straight, the game would quicken and loosen up a fair bit. -
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@reprobate said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I'd be all for reducing kicking distance - not being able to kick long is a big part of what makes the women's game fun to watch.
I'm already a broken record on getting players smaller and fitter.
The lineouts one is interesting. Would probably stop the boring-arse 'get a penalty 5 out and go to yet another lineout' rinse and repeat. I think if you did that and made the scrum feed have to go in straight, the game would quicken and loosen up a fair bit.They can't pass far either, so have to work hard to create space.
Give them problems to try and create space and a contest.
Biggest one would be how to ensure forwards have to hit a ruck and not spread out. First one I would get rid of is protecting the halfback, that's a forward's job not the refs.
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@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@reprobate said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I'd be all for reducing kicking distance - not being able to kick long is a big part of what makes the women's game fun to watch.
I'm already a broken record on getting players smaller and fitter.
The lineouts one is interesting. Would probably stop the boring-arse 'get a penalty 5 out and go to yet another lineout' rinse and repeat. I think if you did that and made the scrum feed have to go in straight, the game would quicken and loosen up a fair bit.They can't pass far either, so have to work hard to create space.
Give them problems to try and create space and a contest.
> Biggest one would be how to ensure forwards have to hit a ruck and not spread out. First one I would get rid of is protecting the halfback, that's a forward's job not the refs.
less rules in general that mean players dont have to get better...just less chances for players to winge to the ref for a penalty
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@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@reprobate said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I'd be all for reducing kicking distance - not being able to kick long is a big part of what makes the women's game fun to watch.
I'm already a broken record on getting players smaller and fitter.
The lineouts one is interesting. Would probably stop the boring-arse 'get a penalty 5 out and go to yet another lineout' rinse and repeat. I think if you did that and made the scrum feed have to go in straight, the game would quicken and loosen up a fair bit.They can't pass far either, so have to work hard to create space.
Give them problems to try and create space and a contest.
Biggest one would be how to ensure forwards have to hit a ruck and not spread out. First one I would get rid of is protecting the halfback, that's a forward's job not the refs.
I'm not convinced on those: wouldn't they both stifle attacking play more than defensive? i.e. the defence does not need to cover so much space, and the attacking forwards have to commit to the breakdown more - wouldn't want an unintended consequence of more cross kicks.
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@reprobate yeah that's my thinking too. most of the ruck suggestions i have seen will result in more attackers than defenders committing.
The scrum from ruck thing is a huge evolution. Rucks used to be a mess, and scrums were a restart. Now imagine a game where every slow ruck became a scrum, and the ensuing palava around the chat, the set up, the ref chat fuck around. who would watch?
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I have the simplest rule, that can be applied at all levels at the stroke of a pen.
Without need for investment or anything.
No need for stadium changes, or reducing players to make space etc.Make the games 100 minutes long.
We need the players to get smaller.
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mentioned many time before but not on this thread, less subs, maybe like football you can have a bench of 8 but only make 4 subs including injuries so you have to hold at least a couple to the end
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It would be very hard to do at lower grades but increase the offside line to 5m behind the ruck. Free kick for holding on, not a penalty. Teams seem too scared to run it wide within their 50m for fear of holding on penalty. Get rid of the caterpillar. As soon as 9 touches the ball with their foot or hands they are fair game.
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@chimoaus said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
It would be very hard to do at lower grades but increase the offside line to 5m behind the ruck. Free kick for holding on, not a penalty. Teams seem too scared to run it wide within their 50m for fear of holding on penalty. Get rid of the caterpillar. As soon as 9 touches the ball with their foot or hands they are fair game.
i dont mind foot but definitely stop this shit with handling the ball in the back of a ruck
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even feet though. when did it just become okay for the halfback to walk up the side of the ruck and move the ball back even with his feet?
Professionalism took rugby from a ruck and run game of constant contest to something that feels like set play to set play.
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though TBF the only thing other than is getting pumped that annoyed me on Saturday was a try being overturned after a conversion and the teams all heading for half way. that can fuck entirely off.
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@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I was watching some youtube videos of old rugby games (YouTube algorithm must have been trying to cheer me up) and I had the following thoughts;
1 - Michael Jones was even better than I remembered
2 - We should make the ball heavier (bonus points for making it brown)
3- Lifting in lineouts is horrible, I preferred the carnage of the old lineouts - an actual contest
4 - Call scrums from rucks more often, that's disappeared from the modern gameObviously the ruck needs work, that probably needs it's own thread. But I think making the ball heavier and reducing the distance you can do for passing and kicking would be a good thing.
Lineouts carnage was far more interesting and skillful, and a genuine contest for possession. Would make it harder to create a lineout drive too.
We have dumbed down rugby, lets reverse the trend, make getting tired part of the game again and get the players smaller as a result.
Come at me.
Why is it that kiwis want to fix rugby when their team isn’t on top?
Jokes aside, enjoying the current laws that have sped up the game
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@W32 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I was watching some youtube videos of old rugby games (YouTube algorithm must have been trying to cheer me up) and I had the following thoughts;
1 - Michael Jones was even better than I remembered
2 - We should make the ball heavier (bonus points for making it brown)
3- Lifting in lineouts is horrible, I preferred the carnage of the old lineouts - an actual contest
4 - Call scrums from rucks more often, that's disappeared from the modern gameObviously the ruck needs work, that probably needs it's own thread. But I think making the ball heavier and reducing the distance you can do for passing and kicking would be a good thing.
Lineouts carnage was far more interesting and skillful, and a genuine contest for possession. Would make it harder to create a lineout drive too.
We have dumbed down rugby, lets reverse the trend, make getting tired part of the game again and get the players smaller as a result.
Come at me.
Why is it that kiwis want to fix rugby when their team isn’t on top?
Jokes aside, enjoying the current laws that have sped up the game
Some of these changes would suit you guys more than us. Your backline (in the second test) is significantly better than ours.
Less kicking would help you. Messy lineouts would help you.
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@W32 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I was watching some youtube videos of old rugby games (YouTube algorithm must have been trying to cheer me up) and I had the following thoughts;
1 - Michael Jones was even better than I remembered
2 - We should make the ball heavier (bonus points for making it brown)
3- Lifting in lineouts is horrible, I preferred the carnage of the old lineouts - an actual contest
4 - Call scrums from rucks more often, that's disappeared from the modern gameObviously the ruck needs work, that probably needs it's own thread. But I think making the ball heavier and reducing the distance you can do for passing and kicking would be a good thing.
Lineouts carnage was far more interesting and skillful, and a genuine contest for possession. Would make it harder to create a lineout drive too.
We have dumbed down rugby, lets reverse the trend, make getting tired part of the game again and get the players smaller as a result.
Come at me.
> Why is it that kiwis want to fix rugby when their team isn’t on top?
Jokes aside, enjoying the current laws that have sped up the game
its actually a good question. My thoughts stem from the fact i dont generally participate in match thread during the game anymore.....because it feels like the only positive comments are pure passion "TRRRRYYYY!!!!" or "insert players name!!!!!!!!".....and the rest are negative critiquing mistakes....it doesnt actually feel like people enjoy watching.....so ive tried other forums thinking its just kiwi fans....forums from other countries are the same in my limited experience
i honesty wonder if i would become a rugby fan if i came in new now and didn;t have years of playing and watching through the 90's etc
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@Jet said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Make the games 100 minutes long.
We need the players to get smaller.
I think the general premise of bringing back fatigue as a factor is something that should be considered. Games used to open up in a way they don't at the moment.
The simplest way to do that is cut down the time spent setting scrums and lineouts. That's what stands out on old footage - from knock-on whistle to 'engage' it's about 20-30 seconds. Now it's 2 minutes plus. Get forwards jogging to the set piece, no time spent with hands on heads, and you get a much better flow and more tired players.
