Stupid ideas to fix rugby
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@reprobate yeah that's my thinking too. most of the ruck suggestions i have seen will result in more attackers than defenders committing.
The scrum from ruck thing is a huge evolution. Rucks used to be a mess, and scrums were a restart. Now imagine a game where every slow ruck became a scrum, and the ensuing palava around the chat, the set up, the ref chat fuck around. who would watch?
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I have the simplest rule, that can be applied at all levels at the stroke of a pen.
Without need for investment or anything.
No need for stadium changes, or reducing players to make space etc.Make the games 100 minutes long.
We need the players to get smaller.
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mentioned many time before but not on this thread, less subs, maybe like football you can have a bench of 8 but only make 4 subs including injuries so you have to hold at least a couple to the end
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It would be very hard to do at lower grades but increase the offside line to 5m behind the ruck. Free kick for holding on, not a penalty. Teams seem too scared to run it wide within their 50m for fear of holding on penalty. Get rid of the caterpillar. As soon as 9 touches the ball with their foot or hands they are fair game.
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@chimoaus said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
It would be very hard to do at lower grades but increase the offside line to 5m behind the ruck. Free kick for holding on, not a penalty. Teams seem too scared to run it wide within their 50m for fear of holding on penalty. Get rid of the caterpillar. As soon as 9 touches the ball with their foot or hands they are fair game.
i dont mind foot but definitely stop this shit with handling the ball in the back of a ruck
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even feet though. when did it just become okay for the halfback to walk up the side of the ruck and move the ball back even with his feet?
Professionalism took rugby from a ruck and run game of constant contest to something that feels like set play to set play.
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though TBF the only thing other than is getting pumped that annoyed me on Saturday was a try being overturned after a conversion and the teams all heading for half way. that can fuck entirely off.
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@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I was watching some youtube videos of old rugby games (YouTube algorithm must have been trying to cheer me up) and I had the following thoughts;
1 - Michael Jones was even better than I remembered
2 - We should make the ball heavier (bonus points for making it brown)
3- Lifting in lineouts is horrible, I preferred the carnage of the old lineouts - an actual contest
4 - Call scrums from rucks more often, that's disappeared from the modern gameObviously the ruck needs work, that probably needs it's own thread. But I think making the ball heavier and reducing the distance you can do for passing and kicking would be a good thing.
Lineouts carnage was far more interesting and skillful, and a genuine contest for possession. Would make it harder to create a lineout drive too.
We have dumbed down rugby, lets reverse the trend, make getting tired part of the game again and get the players smaller as a result.
Come at me.
Why is it that kiwis want to fix rugby when their team isn’t on top?
Jokes aside, enjoying the current laws that have sped up the game
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@W32 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I was watching some youtube videos of old rugby games (YouTube algorithm must have been trying to cheer me up) and I had the following thoughts;
1 - Michael Jones was even better than I remembered
2 - We should make the ball heavier (bonus points for making it brown)
3- Lifting in lineouts is horrible, I preferred the carnage of the old lineouts - an actual contest
4 - Call scrums from rucks more often, that's disappeared from the modern gameObviously the ruck needs work, that probably needs it's own thread. But I think making the ball heavier and reducing the distance you can do for passing and kicking would be a good thing.
Lineouts carnage was far more interesting and skillful, and a genuine contest for possession. Would make it harder to create a lineout drive too.
We have dumbed down rugby, lets reverse the trend, make getting tired part of the game again and get the players smaller as a result.
Come at me.
Why is it that kiwis want to fix rugby when their team isn’t on top?
Jokes aside, enjoying the current laws that have sped up the game
Some of these changes would suit you guys more than us. Your backline (in the second test) is significantly better than ours.
Less kicking would help you. Messy lineouts would help you.
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@W32 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I was watching some youtube videos of old rugby games (YouTube algorithm must have been trying to cheer me up) and I had the following thoughts;
1 - Michael Jones was even better than I remembered
2 - We should make the ball heavier (bonus points for making it brown)
3- Lifting in lineouts is horrible, I preferred the carnage of the old lineouts - an actual contest
4 - Call scrums from rucks more often, that's disappeared from the modern gameObviously the ruck needs work, that probably needs it's own thread. But I think making the ball heavier and reducing the distance you can do for passing and kicking would be a good thing.
Lineouts carnage was far more interesting and skillful, and a genuine contest for possession. Would make it harder to create a lineout drive too.
We have dumbed down rugby, lets reverse the trend, make getting tired part of the game again and get the players smaller as a result.
Come at me.
> Why is it that kiwis want to fix rugby when their team isn’t on top?
Jokes aside, enjoying the current laws that have sped up the game
its actually a good question. My thoughts stem from the fact i dont generally participate in match thread during the game anymore.....because it feels like the only positive comments are pure passion "TRRRRYYYY!!!!" or "insert players name!!!!!!!!".....and the rest are negative critiquing mistakes....it doesnt actually feel like people enjoy watching.....so ive tried other forums thinking its just kiwi fans....forums from other countries are the same in my limited experience
i honesty wonder if i would become a rugby fan if i came in new now and didn;t have years of playing and watching through the 90's etc
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@Jet said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Make the games 100 minutes long.
We need the players to get smaller.
I think the general premise of bringing back fatigue as a factor is something that should be considered. Games used to open up in a way they don't at the moment.
The simplest way to do that is cut down the time spent setting scrums and lineouts. That's what stands out on old footage - from knock-on whistle to 'engage' it's about 20-30 seconds. Now it's 2 minutes plus. Get forwards jogging to the set piece, no time spent with hands on heads, and you get a much better flow and more tired players.
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Current game feels like LawyerBall, I'm sick of hearing a ref saying "Hands Off", just penalise them FFS. They'll soon learn. Would also stop a lot of the feeling of inconsistent application of Laws.
Sport should be about players knowing the Laws, recognising a situation and taking a risk for a play.
Instead we have this stage managed shit.
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@W32 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I was watching some youtube videos of old rugby games (YouTube algorithm must have been trying to cheer me up) and I had the following thoughts;
1 - Michael Jones was even better than I remembered
2 - We should make the ball heavier (bonus points for making it brown)
3- Lifting in lineouts is horrible, I preferred the carnage of the old lineouts - an actual contest
4 - Call scrums from rucks more often, that's disappeared from the modern gameObviously the ruck needs work, that probably needs it's own thread. But I think making the ball heavier and reducing the distance you can do for passing and kicking would be a good thing.
Lineouts carnage was far more interesting and skillful, and a genuine contest for possession. Would make it harder to create a lineout drive too.
We have dumbed down rugby, lets reverse the trend, make getting tired part of the game again and get the players smaller as a result.
Come at me.
Why is it that kiwis want to fix rugby when their team isn’t on top?
Jokes aside, enjoying the current laws that have sped up the game
I'm probably in a minority here, but I would genuinely prefer watching a replay of us taking that record pumping than, say, a reply of that dire Boks England WC semi. Some of the play (by far mostly yours) was really good.
That the game has problems is not new. Both AU-ARG games were good fun, but too often it is a slow, box-kick fest decided by a card, with an incident equally card-worthy being missed in the other direction - and I'm too old to waste my time watching shit rugby where the difficulty of reffing the game and seeing everything decides the result.
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@barbarian said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Jet said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Make the games 100 minutes long.
We need the players to get smaller.
I think the general premise of bringing back fatigue as a factor is something that should be considered. Games used to open up in a way they don't at the moment.
The simplest way to do that is cut down the time spent setting scrums and lineouts. That's what stands out on old footage - from knock-on whistle to 'engage' it's about 20-30 seconds. Now it's 2 minutes plus. Get forwards jogging to the set piece, no time spent with hands on heads, and you get a much better flow and more tired players.
Yep, that 30 seconds timeout for scrums and lineouts is a good plan. Call a mark ruthlessly if exceeded, no warnings, and watch the game open up.
Would help teams with skillful, powerful scrums as well. No hiding from a scrum with delaying tactics.
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On a tangent, the refs have obviously being given a directive to be stricter when players kick to touch from a penalty to make sure it is from the mark. Some 1st 5s used to take the piss and advance 2-5 m in front.
BOK was particularly vigilant. Our Georgian work experience ref, less so.
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Surprisingly ball in play has crept up steadily since the 80s. There’s actually less stoppages now than ever before.
Problem with big changes to player fatigue levels is that even small increases result in far greater risk of injury.
Also there’s a huge tension between the conditioning/physiques needed to scrum safely and effectively and that required to play multiphase running rugby.
So probably the best way to encourage wide attacking rugby, greater defensive commitment to the ruck and fewer stoppages is to:
a) reward committing more players to the ruck with possession NOT penalties;
b) lower the risk of going wide with too little support from a likely penalty to simply losing possession; and
c) make sure that refs see their role at the ruck as a fair fight for possession that should rarely result in a penalty.
Get rid of every ruck rule. Replace with: must enter from your side of the ball (more or less & regardless of angle) & only players on their feet count and may play the ball.
So basically the ELVs - which were awesome to play under and produced great rugby.
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@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@barbarian said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Jet said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
Make the games 100 minutes long.
We need the players to get smaller.
I think the general premise of bringing back fatigue as a factor is something that should be considered. Games used to open up in a way they don't at the moment.
The simplest way to do that is cut down the time spent setting scrums and lineouts. That's what stands out on old footage - from knock-on whistle to 'engage' it's about 20-30 seconds. Now it's 2 minutes plus. Get forwards jogging to the set piece, no time spent with hands on heads, and you get a much better flow and more tired players.
Yep, that 30 seconds timeout for scrums and lineouts is a good plan. Call a mark ruthlessly if exceeded, no warnings, and watch the game open up.
Would help teams with skillful, powerful scrums as well. No hiding from a scrum with delaying tactics.
Fakes injuries also a blight. Easily solved by making anyone who goes down with an injury go off until they are fixed up and not allowed to return until after the next stoppage
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@Kiwiwomble said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@W32 said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
@Kirwan said in Stupid ideas to fix rugby:
I was watching some youtube videos of old rugby games (YouTube algorithm must have been trying to cheer me up) and I had the following thoughts;
1 - Michael Jones was even better than I remembered
2 - We should make the ball heavier (bonus points for making it brown)
3- Lifting in lineouts is horrible, I preferred the carnage of the old lineouts - an actual contest
4 - Call scrums from rucks more often, that's disappeared from the modern gameObviously the ruck needs work, that probably needs it's own thread. But I think making the ball heavier and reducing the distance you can do for passing and kicking would be a good thing.
Lineouts carnage was far more interesting and skillful, and a genuine contest for possession. Would make it harder to create a lineout drive too.
We have dumbed down rugby, lets reverse the trend, make getting tired part of the game again and get the players smaller as a result.
Come at me.
> Why is it that kiwis want to fix rugby when their team isn’t on top?
Jokes aside, enjoying the current laws that have sped up the game
its actually a good question.
Au contraire. Complaints about time in play and loss of the contest for possession were numerous during the golden period.
People suggesting we should increase set play competitiveness and frequency when our team just got mullered is hardly looking for an easy solution to our current dilemma.
