All Blacks 2025
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Dumbest thing he could’ve done. Especially after he played an excellent game against France at Fullback. He’s never even played on the wing for Wellington let alone being chucked on for the wing for the All Blacks
Razor is so lost.Yeah, he's chucked him on the wing twice now. Rassie is much superior in the way he manages his young talent.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Dumbest thing he could’ve done. Especially after he played an excellent game against France at Fullback. He’s never even played on the wing for Wellington let alone being chucked on for the wing for the All Blacks
Razor is so lost.Yeah, he's chucked him on the wing twice now. Rassie is much superior in the way he manages his young talent.
No different to when DMac first made the ABs and was put on the wing off the bench. Even Beaudie was used on the wing.
Love’s time will come.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life Dumbest thing he could’ve done. Especially after he played an excellent game against France at Fullback. He’s never even played on the wing for Wellington let alone being chucked on for the wing for the All Blacks
Razor is so lost.Yeah, he's chucked him on the wing twice now. Rassie is much superior in the way he manages his young talent.
No different to when DMac first made the ABs and was put on the wing off the bench. Even Beaudie was used on the wing.
Love’s time will come.
@ACT-Crusader I’m beginning to wonder if Love will play more than twenty or so tests. He’ll be 27 in 2028 and it doesn’t look like he’ll get much more than games against the minnows or last man standing when there are injuries like on the weekend.
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@brodean I 100% agree with this, Leicester at 12, Jordie to 15, Will and Carter on the wings.
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean I 100% agree with this, Leicester at 12, Jordie to 15, Will and Carter on the wings.
He needs a Super Rugby season to show what he has there at least. I don't really see him being better than Lam at 12 and I don't see either of them moving JB from there.
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Ant Strachan one of the few calling for Barrett to be moved aside. He called for Scott to be removed as captain and Ardie be made captain, Jordie be moved to 15, and a big movement on defense and aerially. Could have gone further as he clearly has some thoughts on change there, but wouldn't elucidate.
In response to questions about the background (i.e., coaches) he questioned the attitude towards defense and how that is coming out as a lack of defensive integrity.
He also questioned the clarity for players of their understanding of the jersey, their role, and commitment to it over the entire course of the game. He was still not prepared to say anything negative about specific coaches or players though.
Interviewer straight out asked him if Razor should go, and he avoided it. He talked about Razor's focus on culture and said that he should get more time in comparison to Foster. He is the second person to respond by saying that Foster got more shit because there was a 'ready to go' replacement in the wings (Jamie Wall was saying the same on another pod).
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Ant Strachan one of the few calling for Barrett to be moved aside. He called for Scott to be removed as captain and Ardie be made captain, Jordie be moved to 15, and a big movement on defense and aerially. Could have gone further as he clearly has some thoughts on change there, but wouldn't elucidate.
In response to questions about the background (i.e., coaches) he questioned the attitude towards defense and how that is coming out as a lack of defensive integrity.
He also questioned the clarity for players of their understanding of the jersey, their role, and commitment to it over the entire course of the game. He was still not prepared to say anything negative about specific coaches or players though.
Interviewer straight out asked him if Razor should go, and he avoided it. He talked about Razor's focus on culture and said that he should get more time in comparison to Foster. He is the second person to respond by saying that Foster got more shit because there was a 'ready to go' replacement in the wings (Jamie Wall was saying the same on another pod).
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@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean I 100% agree with this, Leicester at 12, Jordie to 15, Will and Carter on the wings.
I actually don't mind Leicester at 12. Good shout. Then again I feel like Tupaea deserves a good run there.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean I 100% agree with this, Leicester at 12, Jordie to 15, Will and Carter on the wings.
I actually don't mind Leicester at 12. Good shout. Then again I feel like Tupaea deserves a good run there.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@upthelanders said in All Blacks 2025:
@brodean I 100% agree with this, Leicester at 12, Jordie to 15, Will and Carter on the wings.
I actually don't mind Leicester at 12. Good shout. Then again I feel like Tupaea deserves a good run there.
Unless we play with better tactics whoever we put in there is going to look less than their best
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Read one earlier where Richard Loe was questioning SB as well, form and leadership.
Said when watchign several times in the 'huddles' too many people were talking, he wasnt the 'leader'
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Read one earlier where Richard Loe was questioning SB as well, form and leadership.
Said when watchign several times in the 'huddles' too many people were talking, he wasnt the 'leader'
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Read one earlier where Richard Loe was questioning SB as well, form and leadership.
Said when watchign several times in the 'huddles' too many people were talking, he wasnt the 'leader'
I'm not disagreeing, but I think that captain change suits the media. It seems incredibly hard for them to even consider that Razor isn't the right guy for the role.
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I can't believe people are calling for Jordie back to 15.
Do people forget how slow and laborious he was on the counter? Or trying to link up in the line to feed the wingers??
And he isn't that much better than Dmac in the air so why would we want to sacrifice so much offensive capability for near zero gain on the aerial side of the game?
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Ant Strachan one of the few calling for Barrett to be moved aside. He called for Scott to be removed as captain and Ardie be made captain, Jordie be moved to 15, and a big movement on defense and aerially. Could have gone further as he clearly has some thoughts on change there, but wouldn't elucidate.
In response to questions about the background (i.e., coaches) he questioned the attitude towards defense and how that is coming out as a lack of defensive integrity.
He also questioned the clarity for players of their understanding of the jersey, their role, and commitment to it over the entire course of the game. He was still not prepared to say anything negative about specific coaches or players though.
Interviewer straight out asked him if Razor should go, and he avoided it. He talked about Razor's focus on culture and said that he should get more time in comparison to Foster. He is the second person to respond by saying that Foster got more shit because there was a 'ready to go' replacement in the wings (Jamie Wall was saying the same on another pod).
@gt12 I listened to that earlier. Ant reads the Fern!
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I can't believe people are calling for Jordie back to 15.
Do people forget how slow and laborious he was on the counter? Or trying to link up in the line to feed the wingers??
And he isn't that much better than Dmac in the air so why would we want to sacrifice so much offensive capability for near zero gain on the aerial side of the game?
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
I can't believe people are calling for Jordie back to 15.
Do people forget how slow and laborious he was on the counter? Or trying to link up in the line to feed the wingers??
And he isn't that much better than Dmac in the air so why would we want to sacrifice so much offensive capability for near zero gain on the aerial side of the game?
how many games did we actually get out of him? i dont actually feel it was that many and if im not mistaken mainly during the covid season, i think everyone needs second chances as it was pretty messed up
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
I can't believe people are calling for Jordie back to 15.
Do people forget how slow and laborious he was on the counter? Or trying to link up in the line to feed the wingers??
And he isn't that much better than Dmac in the air so why would we want to sacrifice so much offensive capability for near zero gain on the aerial side of the game?
how many games did we actually get out of him? i dont actually feel it was that many and if im not mistaken mainly during the covid season, i think everyone needs second chances as it was pretty messed up
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
how many games did we actually get out of him? i dont actually feel it was that many
26 starts at fullback
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2025:
Beaudy, ALB, Rieko, Reece, Perenara, Christie, Scooter as captain, all examples of tough decisions not being made.
Very very tough
Most of those guys will be on very fat, and very long contracts.But NZR does have a lot of players on their books.
All pro players in NZ (including provincial) are NZR employees.
600 to 700 players to choose from.The NZRU aren't as rich as an epl team but players there on huge locked in contracts get sat down constantly. Why should we be any different - if the player is cooked - stand him down and if he isn't getting better or his replacement is knocking the cover off the ball offer yhe star a present value pay off (plus you are probably replacing him with a player that you have contracted at a lower rate?).
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
how many games did we actually get out of him? i dont actually feel it was that many
26 starts at fullback
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2025:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
how many games did we actually get out of him? i dont actually feel it was that many
26 starts at fullback
damn really? starts? ignore me then, felt it was only one season so less than 10, 26 is a good run
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The NZRU aren't as rich as an epl team but players there on huge locked in contracts get sat down constantly. Why should we be any different - if the player is cooked - stand him down and if he isn't getting better or his replacement is knocking the cover off the ball offer yhe star a present value pay off (plus you are probably replacing him with a player that you have contracted at a lower rate?).
@Old-Alleynians said in All Blacks 2025:
The NZRU aren't as rich as an epl team but players there on huge locked in contracts get sat down constantly. Why should we be any different - if the player is cooked - stand him down and if he isn't getting better or his replacement is knocking the cover off the ball offer yhe star a present value pay off (plus you are probably replacing him with a player that you have contracted at a lower rate?).
i think you answered your own questions....NZR would say they cant afford to pay players not to play
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
I can't believe people are calling for Jordie back to 15.
Do people forget how slow and laborious he was on the counter? Or trying to link up in the line to feed the wingers??
And he isn't that much better than Dmac in the air so why would we want to sacrifice so much offensive capability for near zero gain on the aerial side of the game?
how many games did we actually get out of him? i dont actually feel it was that many and if im not mistaken mainly during the covid season, i think everyone needs second chances as it was pretty messed up
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
I can't believe people are calling for Jordie back to 15.
Do people forget how slow and laborious he was on the counter? Or trying to link up in the line to feed the wingers??
And he isn't that much better than Dmac in the air so why would we want to sacrifice so much offensive capability for near zero gain on the aerial side of the game?
how many games did we actually get out of him? i dont actually feel it was that many and if im not mistaken mainly during the covid season, i think everyone needs second chances as it was pretty messed up
He was a test fullback back in 2018, then his brother relegated him to the bench in 2019, he was mostly a wing in 2020., then fullback 2021.
I really don't understand what Covid has to do with anything, everyone played under the same circumstances.
If they want to give him a third chance based on his maturing as a player then fine, it's the overhyping his previous times there that is a bit on the nose.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2025:
I can't believe people are calling for Jordie back to 15.
Do people forget how slow and laborious he was on the counter? Or trying to link up in the line to feed the wingers??
And he isn't that much better than Dmac in the air so why would we want to sacrifice so much offensive capability for near zero gain on the aerial side of the game?
how many games did we actually get out of him? i dont actually feel it was that many and if im not mistaken mainly during the covid season, i think everyone needs second chances as it was pretty messed up
He was a test fullback back in 2018, then his brother relegated him to the bench in 2019, he was mostly a wing in 2020., then fullback 2021.
I really don't understand what Covid has to do with anything, everyone played under the same circumstances.
If they want to give him a third chance based on his maturing as a player then fine, it's the overhyping his previous times there that is a bit on the nose.
@Nepia ive just said above i had forgotten how many games he'd had there as it felt like it was only a few during 2020 and that might be important as it was very messed up with lockdowns and quarantines etc, didnlt think it was a crazy idea to think it might effect people and that different people would handle it differently, but as @Duluth has said looks like he had a good run outside that (where you think that matters or not) and so not an issue
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@Nepia ive just said above i had forgotten how many games he'd had there as it felt like it was only a few during 2020 and that might be important as it was very messed up with lockdowns and quarantines etc, didnlt think it was a crazy idea to think it might effect people and that different people would handle it differently, but as @Duluth has said looks like he had a good run outside that (where you think that matters or not) and so not an issue
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2025:
@Nepia ive just said above i had forgotten how many games he'd had there as it felt like it was only a few during 2020 and that might be important as it was very messed up with lockdowns and quarantines etc, didnlt think it was a crazy idea to think it might effect people and that different people would handle it differently, but as @Duluth has said looks like he had a good run outside that (where you think that matters or not) and so not an issue
I think I must have posted my message just after your second one.
