All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I think the big take away from the game should be copying how Australia make so many metres through the close channels and the forwards. Australia really was their own worst enemy with missed touch, penalties etc. When they actually held onto the ball, they really did make it look simple.
With a lot of players who have been made to look like donkeys in the Test arena, which suggests quality coaching is important!
It is a trade mark of his teams, Ireland were the same. Do the basics well, win set piece, make metres with ball in hand close to the ruck, defend well and the rest takes care of itself. The Wallabies unfortunately just let themselves down with discipline, simple errors and missed too many tackles.
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Good win despite the stupid, worn-out old game plan.
I think the focus of the AB's kicking game is to test their own defense under pressure in their own half. Quite brilliant, really. By the time the next World Cup rolls around, they should be experts at defending the line with scrambling defense. -
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@brodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I noticed Holland was the ABs top tackler. What about his defence do you have some issues with?
I think a few times he went wrong side of the ruck when defending close to the line or didn't see the space, pretty minor really but just comes with experience.
I've noticed that but I think the issue is more around the fact that there have rarely been loose forwards defending around the ruck for months. In the past it guys like Kaino, Ioane, and even Frizell would be patrolling that area when the ball got close to the line.
I think Finau gave away a couple of penalties in that area in the Super Rugby final but at least he was where he was supposed to be and trying. He was the only one putting it on the line out of the Chiefs loose forwards in that final. Vaa'i also is not around there enough.
The bottom line is that Holland has made more tackles than any other All Black this season and he's also top equal for dominant tackles so I think its more a problem with others not doing enough and being where they should be.
Do you (or anyone else @Duluth ?) have those dominant tackle stats to hand? Been looking for them
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Haven’t read the full thread but my short take is we have a soft underbelly, and teams that take route 1 against us will beat us comfortably.
Lots of talk about the ref, a lot warranted, but if Oz had Valentini and Skelton fit (and a few others fit) we lose that game.
We are not a good team, obviously poorly coached and are now in the era of needing friendly referees and wallaby injuries to squeak past Australia.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Thanks @antipodean
Stats to me reflect the score.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Could have been very different
But it wasn't
Come on, do better than that.
I get sick of the "we could have lost" reactions.
We didn't.
Could we have been better? Yes
Are Aussie a good team? Yes
Do Aussie have greatest absolute bestest coach in the Wooorld! (other than Rassie)? Apparently
Did we lose? No
Great team with awesomest coach loses to rabble with surf numpty in charge.
Plenty predicting we would lose before the game, so for many we exceeded expectations.
Do I want us winning by 40 every time? Yes, but I'll take a 9 point margin, especially given we left points out there.
The only true metric is the scoreboard.
Better response.
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Since when have Aus been considered a "great team" ? They have paper thin depth, they had to pluck JOC back from the wilderness to fill their most important position FFS! Right now they are a very well coached team playing well above the sum of their parts, the exact opposite to us.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Haven’t read the full thread but my short take is we have a soft underbelly, and teams that take route 1 against us will beat us comfortably.
Lots of talk about the ref, a lot warranted, but if Oz had Valentini and Skelton fit (and a few others fit) we lose that game.
We are not a good team, obviously poorly coached and are now in the era of needing friendly referees and wallaby injuries to squeak past Australia.
Yup, my thoughts too. There is no enforcer in that starting pack. We have 2 attacking loosies, which is really affecting our work in close as they're struggling to complement each other as they play very similar games, Va'ai who is more known for his athleticism than his starch, Holland who is a decent prospect and get through work, but at this current stage, he's no Brodie Retallick, which leaves us with our front row where De Groot is sluggish at the best of times and is mainly there to scrum, Taylor who's probably our best forward currently but is more known for his work around the park as opposed to his physical presence, and Lomax who hasn't been great since coming back.
There is a real lack of physicality in that pack and it ain't changing as we continue to try and master being quicker than every other side in the world.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Since when have Aus been considered a "great team" ? They have paper thin depth, they had to pluck JOC back from the wilderness to fill their most important position FFS! Right now they are a very well coached team playing well above the sum of their parts, the exact opposite to us.
Yeah, exactly. It's the same 'meh' team that they've had for about the last how many years now.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
Since when have Aus been considered a "great team" ? They have paper thin depth, they had to pluck JOC back from the wilderness to fill their most important position FFS! Right now they are a very well coached team playing well above the sum of their parts, the exact opposite to us.
Yeah, exactly. It's the same 'meh' team that they've had for about the last how many years now.
I would say the difference is their ceiling is higher under Schmidt. In the last year they've beaten England at Twickenham, Boks at Ellis Park and were very competitive in the Lions series.
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If winning by 9 points is "squeaking past" then we should have handed at least one RWC cup back .
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
If winning by 9 points is "squeaking past" then we should have handed at least one RWC cup back .
You don't think that refs call on our tryline where we concede a try but not a yellow was influential? Leaving a big decision in the refs hands at the back end of the game is squeaking to me.
Letting them back in after being up 20 3 was super frustrating too
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We have the "cool" teacher in charge of the class, attempting to keep his class happy with positivity and vision. Problem with all cool teachers, they don't really know the material. As the exam approaches, some of the more astute students start to realize they are not adequately prepared. The murmurs of discontent start. Suddenly way cool teacher isn't so way cool anymore. He's out of his depth and the students know it. Needless to say, the students do poorly in the exam.
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I don't want Sititi as captain. Looks to be Taine Randle Mark 2. Mature and nice. Does not command his place in the side.
The only player with that hard core competitive edge that I can see is Roigard. Not dunderhead body falling apart Scooter or aw gee shucks Pacifika and Christian legend Ardie.
Codie Taylor as interim captain and Roigard as vice, captaining when Taylor leaves the field. Of course all of this complete fantasy and will never happen
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@antipodean Shows how important Holland is, not sure exactly how many of those 15 he took but 15-0 is one reason why we were competitive as opposed to SA where we could not win a lineout to save ourselves.
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@No-Quarter I don’t think any one is calling Oz a great team. They are good though and plenty were singing Schmidt’s praises not that long ago.
They’ve lost two 1st 5s to injury and that is why JOC is starting. Plus JOC showed good impact form in super rugby, can’t ask for more than that.
We had to play well (in patches) to beat them, as did the Boks and Argies.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe I:
I think the big take away from the game should be copying how Australia make so many metres through the close channels and the forwards.
Yes. This has annoyed for a while. Vaai, Williams, Sami, Sititi, Savea , Roigard are all good runners.
Instead we get 10 shovelling.
Or a dink.
