All Blacks 2025
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@mohikamo and I suspect the likes of Richie, Conrad, Dan, Nonu could all have still commanded decent nzr coin post 2015, but I think all of them probably knew it was time to move on, leave the legacy rather than fade out.
Now, a few players certainly seem like they are just going through the motions, and they are among those.with bigger contracts.
@taniwharugby
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That's why I think Robertson is a bit restricted in who he can select up to 27.
All the big NZR contracts for the next two years have already been dished out.
He's pretty much locked in to the current crop of contractors.And . . . that's why I like the SA model.
More flexible.
NZR wouldn't have to make such large player commitments.Like Rassie can bring a player in from where ever; have look; go yeah nah; see you later.
And hasn't really cost him or SAR anything.
And just as important, hasn't cost the particular player anything either.The Aussies have just gone the same way.
Give it a couple of years for the new selection process to bed in, and the they'll be fielding their best possible combos.
Just in time for WC 27.
Which is probably why they made the decision now, to guarantee they field their best team.As for club v country.
Most of the worlds domestic rugby comps are in trouble at the mo, and I dont see that changing anytime soon.
Conversely international rugby in most places is smashing it commercially.
Going forward I see clubs as the ones that are going to be feeling the squeeze; not the countries.
I dont see NZR (a $300m per annum business) taking much crap from a shitty little overseas rugby club, which is probably close to being bankrupt, or is bankrupt.@mohikamo My answer is for the All Blacks selectors to grow a pair and to only select players who deserve selection based on current form and future promise.
If NZR waste their money on over the hill players to stop them going to Rugby 360 or for marketing purposes, that's their problem.
The All Blacks are about excellence and winning.
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@mohikamo My answer is for the All Blacks selectors to grow a pair and to only select players who deserve selection based on current form and future promise.
If NZR waste their money on over the hill players to stop them going to Rugby 360 or for marketing purposes, that's their problem.
The All Blacks are about excellence and winning.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo My answer is for the All Blacks selectors to grow a pair and to only select players who deserve selection based on current form and future promise.
If NZR waste their money on over the hill players to stop them going to Rugby 360 or for marketing purposes, that's their problem.
The All Blacks are about excellence and winning.
Too right. At the moment the tail is wagging the dog, and I don't like it. Nothing wrong with going abroad to earn big coin. But at that point lets realise their interests and those of the ABs no longer align
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Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales on consecutive weeks in November.
" Operation Grand Slam"
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales on consecutive weeks in November.
" Operation Grand Slam"
Upvote for Bond even if it is the most overrated one ever.
I didn't realise the games essentially go from hardest to easiest. That should help them get it.
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Personally I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett for the All Blacks XV based on his horrific 2025 form, let alone the All Blacks squad.
He could help us all out by retiring from international rugby.
https://twitter.com/chalynrugby/status/1974734526925750368?s=46
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales on consecutive weeks in November.
" Operation Grand Slam"
Upvote for Bond even if it is the most overrated one ever.
I didn't realise the games essentially go from hardest to easiest. That should help them get it.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales on consecutive weeks in November.
" Operation Grand Slam"
Upvote for Bond even if it is the most overrated one ever.
I didn't realise the games essentially go from hardest to easiest. That should help them get it.
Nah, we needed Ireland, Wales, England, Scotland, we can't beat two good teams in a row.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales on consecutive weeks in November.
" Operation Grand Slam"
Upvote for Bond even if it is the most overrated one ever.
I didn't realise the games essentially go from hardest to easiest. That should help them get it.
Nah, we needed Ireland, Wales, England, Scotland, we can't beat two good teams in a row.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2025:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales on consecutive weeks in November.
" Operation Grand Slam"
Upvote for Bond even if it is the most overrated one ever.
I didn't realise the games essentially go from hardest to easiest. That should help them get it.
Nah, we needed Ireland, Wales, England, Scotland, we can't beat two good teams in a row.
As it stands they'll need to beat three good teams and then Wales
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Personally I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett for the All Blacks XV based on his horrific 2025 form, let alone the All Blacks squad.
He could help us all out by retiring from international rugby.
https://twitter.com/chalynrugby/status/1974734526925750368?s=46
@sparky said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Personally I wouldn't pick Beauden Barrett for the All Blacks XV based on his horrific 2025 form, let alone the All Blacks squad.
He could help us all out by retiring from international rugby.
https://twitter.com/chalynrugby/status/1974734526925750368?s=46
I bet Razor will start him in Chicago. Ugh
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
For a head coach who is a former loose forward, and a forward coach who appears to highly rated...
How can they not be concerned by the way our loose forwards got absolutely bitched last night? And thats with the best Wallaby loosie half fit coming off the bench?
Wilson made yards at will, and had starch on D. Mcreight was a menace at the breakdown. They were highly visible and highly effective.And this is a theme over a period of time. Remember what the effectively reserve French #8 did to us?
Waaay too negative there mate: this week was a major improvement from last week when the 4 best loosies on the park were all Aussies. This time it was only the 3 best, because Hooper missed QT really badly for the try.
Lol fair.
Lucky we have the best player in the world though aye?
Proving good PR and tiktok moments beats actual output.
Lakai being our stand-up despite being little more than adequate is damning.@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
Lakai being our stand-up despite being little more than adequate is damning.
Same with Ginga. When your 5th string, last-gasp halfback (admittedly playing his guts out) looks the goods, it speaks volumes.
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Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales on consecutive weeks in November.
" Operation Grand Slam"
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales on consecutive weeks in November.
I actually fancy Scotland to win against us. Can see us beating Ireland and Wales though.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
Lakai being our stand-up despite being little more than adequate is damning.
Same with Ginga. When your 5th string, last-gasp halfback (admittedly playing his guts out) looks the goods, it speaks volumes.
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
Lakai being our stand-up despite being little more than adequate is damning.
Same with Ginga. When your 5th string, last-gasp halfback (admittedly playing his guts out) looks the goods, it speaks volumes.
I still don't want him in the squad for the tour. Cam, Ratima, Preston for me
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Tyrel Lomax gone for the season. That’s two important tight forwards now gone burgers.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
Lakai being our stand-up despite being little more than adequate is damning.
Same with Ginga. When your 5th string, last-gasp halfback (admittedly playing his guts out) looks the goods, it speaks volumes.
I still don't want him in the squad for the tour. Cam, Ratima, Preston for me
@canefan said in All Blacks 2025:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
Lakai being our stand-up despite being little more than adequate is damning.
Same with Ginga. When your 5th string, last-gasp halfback (admittedly playing his guts out) looks the goods, it speaks volumes.
I still don't want him in the squad for the tour. Cam, Ratima, Preston for me
Nor me - just pointing out how an average player can shine in this team.
He can leave with his head held pretty high, though.
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Beauden Barrett? Anton Leinert-Brown? Luke Jacobson? Sevu Reece?
All too long in the tooth and with too many miles on the clock and their glory days a long time ago to be much use to us. Pick younger, better players. This is the All Blacks Northern tour, not Cocoon 3.
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Young players I'd like to see in the All Blacks XV (at least) :
Bartlett, Wrampling-Alec, Gardiner (he is playing well again after having a mare last year), Casey, Sinton, Pledger, Roberts, Brown, Tangitau, Fineanganofo. Lasaqa, the diminutive wing, is fun to watch. Maybe he is not big enough but he is a real threat when given a bit of space. Maybe one year too early for Vakasiuola but men of his size are not legions in NZ. -
@mohikamo My answer is for the All Blacks selectors to grow a pair and to only select players who deserve selection based on current form and future promise.
If NZR waste their money on over the hill players to stop them going to Rugby 360 or for marketing purposes, that's their problem.
The All Blacks are about excellence and winning.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo My answer is for the All Blacks selectors to grow a pair and to only select players who deserve selection based on current form and future promise.
If NZR waste their money on over the hill players to stop them going to Rugby 360 or for marketing purposes, that's their problem.
The All Blacks are about excellence and winning.
That, plus if a player gets frozen out of the ABs due to poor performance they need to look into ways of that contract being terminated by mutual agreement which will enable that player to leave NZ and make money offshore. Both parties can gain from that arrangement.
One thing is clear that some of the longer term ABs don't have that same hunger or energy they used to - the reason you can see that is because it stands out like a sore thumb when you compare it to someone like Leroy Carter or even a Quinn Tupaea whose AB career has been derailed due to injury. Right now those guys are playing with a sense of purpose.
Its nothing personal, it just benefits no-one to have players around the setup that are a couple years past their use by date.
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
@mohikamo My answer is for the All Blacks selectors to grow a pair and to only select players who deserve selection based on current form and future promise.
If NZR waste their money on over the hill players to stop them going to Rugby 360 or for marketing purposes, that's their problem.
The All Blacks are about excellence and winning.
That, plus if a player gets frozen out of the ABs due to poor performance they need to look into ways of that contract being terminated by mutual agreement which will enable that player to leave NZ and make money offshore. Both parties can gain from that arrangement.
One thing is clear that some of the longer term ABs don't have that same hunger or energy they used to - the reason you can see that is because it stands out like a sore thumb when you compare it to someone like Leroy Carter or even a Quinn Tupaea whose AB career has been derailed due to injury. Right now those guys are playing with a sense of purpose.
Its nothing personal, it just benefits no-one to have players around the setup that are a couple years past their use by date.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks 2025:
Its nothing personal, it just benefits no-one to have players around the setup that are a couple years past their use by date.
Haha
It sure benfits the player that is still on a fat contract.. Re the Marcus Rashford imbroglio..It'd be nice to have a bit of clarity on the AB player contracting situation.
Just a general idea of the numbers.
Like the number of players on this amount for this duration.
The fern can figure out the rest.
A journo should ask a NZR honcho the question.From what i've garned in the last few months, my gut feeling is they signed a bunch of players up to the next WC.
You can sort of tell who they are by the players that are getting the run ons, and conversly who they didn't, by the players who are a bit on the outer.
You can see why they are a bit locked in now, selection wise, for the next couple of seasons.
A few "key" injuries might actually be a good thing.Fuck, in the amateur days they could dump the whole team, and did on occasion, no prob.
They cant do that now.
Well the could.
But it would cost them a lot of money.Shit, in the NFL all this contract stuff is on the public record.
