All Blacks 2025
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Yep, I not surprised with squad. They pinned their team early in season, and were never going to make big changes. Christie was a certainty almost with Hotham out, much as I like Pledger, probably ABVX is right. I perhaps would of preferred a few changes, but I suspect they may well be trying (rightly or wrongly) having different styles for different teams, partly because I not sure they know exactly who they want.
The hardest thing to remember is because we don't think say a Kirifi is big enough or Reece is fast enough, or BB is the 10 we fancy, they obviously have a different opinion. So who is right or wrong will be shown down the track.
ie I don't go along that Kirifi is too small, or Proctor is out of depth, but we all see things differently. -
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Yeah - I really struggle to see compelling alternatives.
I would pick Papali'i over Kirifi - which won't surprise anyone who follows my theme of picking big men over little men - but, it's a back to the future selection and Dalton's never been McCaw.
If Blackadder were fit, he might have taken Finau's spot - Samipeni hasn't really impressed - but, Ethan's not fit and it would be back to the future again. And Ethan's never been Kaino.
Tangitau looked the business in Super rugby, but reports from NPC are that he's got major holes in his game. I haven't watched him.
Pledger - like Hotham last year (I think) - is probably better off in the AB XV, where he'll get to play.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
This idea that you can’t drop underperforming players and select inexperienced players or players with 'work-ons' is ridiculous. At some point, when he knows a players can’t do the job, Robertson has to take a punt on someone with potential and back himself to help them realise it. Two years out from the World Cup. The All Blacks will either be full of guys who are two years worse than they are now, or new players who haven’t been given any time to get used to test rugby.
Agreed. And then look at the schedule next year - tour in South Africa. Hard to imagine he is going to be particularly brave in selecting for that.
Given this is the weakest Wales side in forever this tour should have been one to bring at least a couple of bolters for that last match.
@nonpartizan said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
This idea that you can’t drop underperforming players and select inexperienced players or players with 'work-ons' is ridiculous. At some point, when he knows a players can’t do the job, Robertson has to take a punt on someone with potential and back himself to help them realise it. Two years out from the World Cup. The All Blacks will either be full of guys who are two years worse than they are now, or new players who haven’t been given any time to get used to test rugby.
Agreed. And then look at the schedule next year - tour in South Africa. Hard to imagine he is going to be particularly brave in selecting for that.
Given this is the weakest Wales side in forever this tour should have been one to bring at least a couple of bolters for that last match.
I’m concerned he’s run out of time. He started and continued far too conservatively and may have wasted an entire World Cup cycle. As a result, talented players - Love, for example - could head overseas, rather than stick around for the next World Cup, when the choice will be between a player in his late-twenties with only a handful of caps against weak opposition, or a player in his early-twenties, uncapped but with just as much potential.
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@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Yeah - I really struggle to see compelling alternatives.
I would pick Papali'i over Kirifi - which won't surprise anyone who follows my theme of picking big men over little men - but, it's a back to the future selection and Dalton's never been McCaw.
If Blackadder were fit, he might have taken Finau's spot - Samipeni hasn't really impressed - but, Ethan's not fit and it would be back to the future again. And Ethan's never been Kaino.
Tangitau looked the business in Super rugby, but reports from NPC are that he's got major holes in his game. I haven't watched him.
Pledger - like Hotham last year (I think) - is probably better off in the AB XV, where he'll get to play.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I would pick Papali'i over Kirifi - which won't surprise anyone who follows my theme of picking big men over little men - but, it's a back to the future selection and Dalton's never been McCaw.
Papalii is the same age as Kirifi.
I would like the the ABs maximise the impact those in the squad are having.
Just because Papalii isn't McCaw doesnt mean he wouldn't add value - at test level every little bit counts - if he's an upgrade then pick him.
I saw more from Papalii in 15 odd minutes in the 3rd France test than Kirifi has shown all AB season.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
I would pick Papali'i over Kirifi - which won't surprise anyone who follows my theme of picking big men over little men - but, it's a back to the future selection and Dalton's never been McCaw.
Papalii is the same age as Kirifi.
I would like the the ABs maximise the impact those in the squad are having.
Just because Papalii isn't McCaw doesnt mean he wouldn't add value - at test level every little bit counts - if he's an upgrade then pick him.
I saw more from Papalii in 15 odd minutes in the 3rd France test than Kirifi has shown all AB season.
@KiwiMurph I agree with you.
Razor apparently doesn't.
The point I'm making is that where he's wielded the new broom, there's often been plenty of complaint - and there's a degree of personal preference involved - as well as them knowing what gameplan they're trying to implement.
It's probably an interesting exercise to list the five best players in the AB XV and the five worst players in the ABs - if there's positional overlap then that's where you'd look for change.
DPK vs Paps might fall there.
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There gon' be some shit lost on this tour me thinks....
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There gon' be some shit lost on this tour me thinks....
@taniwharugby Scotland has me nervous, Finn Russell could wake up and decide he wants to create history, hopefully he's in no such mood
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I was waiting for the squad to be named before voting on the results poll. I don’t think 4-0 looks very likely, but great if it happens.
1-3 however suddenly might be worth a flutter to blunt the potential that things could go south quickly…
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
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@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
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Front row - sorted. They know their top tiers and the next rung are going to get opportunities with injuries and some minimal rotation.
Locks - the top 4 are settled in my view. With one of those top 4 out injured, there’s a line ball call between a guy (Lord) who was first selected a while ago and hasn’t shown a great deal but has size on his side and another toiler (Darry) that has been there or thereabouts.
Loose forwards - still some open question marks about what to do with Luke Jacobson. Razor is a fan, but his injuries have racked up. He looked a class above on the weekend and hopefully he will be fit for selection so we can see where he fits in. For me if they persist with Ardie in the starting lineup, he’s probably the one in the squad that complements him.
Parker they’ll continue to develop. Lakai they want to see more of post his injuries. Plenty of endeavour and this could be a big opportunity for him. I like him or Sititi as a bench option.
Halfbacks - sorted.
1st 5s - when that other fella coming back…..
Midfield - more question marks even with the QT performance against the Aussies. There may be a temptation to rotate a bit. Jordie still our best midfielder but the way they are using him to drop back defensively was interesting to say the least.
Ireland and Scotland attack from the midfield quite differently to Aussie so it’s going to be interesting to see if they go with QT or Proctor.Wings - wouldn’t mind seeing us go with both Clarke and LF for at least one test. Ioane could be a really good bench option for us. There’s a bit of versatility in there for that option.
Fullback - give Love a decent start against Wales and some bench minutes
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@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Now the most carded AB I believe.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Now the most carded AB I believe.
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Now the most carded AB I believe.
Just such a retro selection. He's so far down the pecking order for a spot in the 23 for me. Total waste of a spot.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Now the most carded AB I believe.
Just such a retro selection. He's so far down the pecking order for a spot in the 23 for me. Total waste of a spot.
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Now the most carded AB I believe.
Just such a retro selection. He's so far down the pecking order for a spot in the 23 for me. Total waste of a spot.
Maybe Razor wants another guy to hit 100 tests under his watch ?
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Now the most carded AB I believe.
Just such a retro selection. He's so far down the pecking order for a spot in the 23 for me. Total waste of a spot.
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Now the most carded AB I believe.
Just such a retro selection. He's so far down the pecking order for a spot in the 23 for me. Total waste of a spot.
Yeah, his continued selection might be the most pointless of all.
He's not good enough to start and he does not offer anything off the bench and he's not versatile so just no real point in him being there.At 13 you have Proctor, QT or Rieko, there's no need for all three and ALB.
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@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Who's the alternative? Ennor, McLeod, Havili ...
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@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Who's the alternative? Ennor, McLeod, Havili ...
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@voodoo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@booboo said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
The only real surprise for me is Lord over Darry.
Any selections you'd do different?
I can't say I'm a fan of Kirifi due to size.
Wouldn't have minded Ah Kuoi in, but not sure who for.
Otherwise it's difficult to quibble. Seems us lot are wanting change for change's sake.
Oh, I see Sevu is still there. Might have swapped him out.
You'd keep ALB???
Who's the alternative? Ennor, McLeod, Havili ...
When you put it that way.......
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Front row - sorted. They know their top tiers and the next rung are going to get opportunities with injuries and some minimal rotation.
Locks - the top 4 are settled in my view. With one of those top 4 out injured, there’s a line ball call between a guy (Lord) who was first selected a while ago and hasn’t shown a great deal but has size on his side and another toiler (Darry) that has been there or thereabouts.
Loose forwards - still some open question marks about what to do with Luke Jacobson. Razor is a fan, but his injuries have racked up. He looked a class above on the weekend and hopefully he will be fit for selection so we can see where he fits in. For me if they persist with Ardie in the starting lineup, he’s probably the one in the squad that complements him.
Parker they’ll continue to develop. Lakai they want to see more of post his injuries. Plenty of endeavour and this could be a big opportunity for him. I like him or Sititi as a bench option.
Halfbacks - sorted.
1st 5s - when that other fella coming back…..
Midfield - more question marks even with the QT performance against the Aussies. There may be a temptation to rotate a bit. Jordie still our best midfielder but the way they are using him to drop back defensively was interesting to say the least.
Ireland and Scotland attack from the midfield quite differently to Aussie so it’s going to be interesting to see if they go with QT or Proctor.Wings - wouldn’t mind seeing us go with both Clarke and LF for at least one test. Ioane could be a really good bench option for us. There’s a bit of versatility in there for that option.
Fullback - give Love a decent start against Wales and some bench minutes
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks & All Blacks XV EOYT Squads 2025:
Midfield - more question marks even with the QT performance against the Aussies. There may be a temptation to rotate a bit. Jordie still our best midfielder but the way they are using him to drop back defensively was interesting to say the least.
Ireland and Scotland attack from the midfield quite differently to Aussie so it’s going to be interesting to see if they go with QT or Proctor.It's kind of a strange set of midfielders - even though it's not surprising.
On current rankings:
Second five: Jordie, Tupaea, ALB
Centre: Tupaea, Proctor, Ioane, ALB
I don't see Big Leicester starting there, unless maybe vs Wales - quite possible he plays wing or on the bench, though. I'd have grouped him with the wings.
If Jordie gets injured, I wonder whether they go Tupaea/Proctor or ALB/Tupaea?
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I wouldn't pick ALB. Very good player, but Jordie is starting every game at 12 and QT is for me clearly the other 12. At 13 he's behind RI or BP, and maybe QT now too. He's not a development player. The other midfielders in the squad aren't newbies who need mentoring. If someone goes down early in the tour, sure bring him over.
But why not e.g. call Leicester midfield cover and take Tangitau and start whipping him into shape?
