"LIV Rugby"?
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R360 rebel league would be a major blow to Prem, warns Exeter’s Rob Baxter
Exeter director of rugby believes clubs must try to improve the Prem and keep it attractive to lure the best players
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He’s just lining up his next coaching job
No ifs, buts, or maybes
A true professional in fairness
He did hit upon one thing though
The season schedule
It’s a fucking joke in the NH
League, Europe, Autumn Internationals, League, Europe, 6 Nations, League, Summer tours
If we had the sensible schedule of the SH it would be so much better
And so much better attended
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@mikedogz said in "LIV Rugby"?:
Sounds like a ten year ban for any NRL player that goes to R360. Most of the players that might go will be older. Sounds like the ban could even affect their ability to play at lower levels if they wanted to in their late 30's.
The real test to those rules will be if/when the first massive name(s) jump ship.
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@mikedogz said in "LIV Rugby"?:
Sounds like a ten year ban for any NRL player that goes to R360. Most of the players that might go will be older. Sounds like the ban could even affect their ability to play at lower levels if they wanted to in their late 30's.
That's a rule which would be quickly thrown in the bin if sufficient numbers of big names go.
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@antipodean said in "LIV Rugby"?:
@mikedogz said in "LIV Rugby"?:
Sounds like a ten year ban for any NRL player that goes to R360. Most of the players that might go will be older. Sounds like the ban could even affect their ability to play at lower levels if they wanted to in their late 30's.
That's a rule which would be quickly thrown in the bin if sufficient numbers of big names go.
Like when SBW did a runner from the Dogs in 2008 and they threatened all sorts of bans against him and what not, and sure enough, come 2013, he's back at the Roosters after a successful first Union stint.
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Judging by the actions of the establishments, it looks like this is starting to really get some traction.
I can see an anti-competitive behaviour lawsuit coming up.According to Tindall
"rugby is feeling the fallout of the last few years with financial mismanagement, declining investment in the club game and a product that is struggling to evolve.
Clubs around the world are feeling the strain and are being propped up by the international game.
Rugby's lack of innovation and ability to change risks losing its appeal to new audiences and its younger market."These are pretty much my thoughts entirely.
If this gets up, I can’t see it having much effect on NZ rugby at all.
The national union in NZ holds the contracts of the pro players, and the national team is the only team that really matters..
This is not the case in most of the rest of world Rugby.
NZ rugby is already in a position where some of its star pro players get up and fuck-off to big money foreign competitions.
It’s already been like that for a long time now, so it won’t be anything different.Probably more of an issue for the NRL.
They are in such a dogfight with the AFL, losing a host of star players will not be good. -
For all Mike's pontificating, this comp does absolutely nothing to change any of the points he is raising, it'll enrich players with oil money, and the very same financial barriers will exist in the established game. In fact they might get worse.
Disruptors in any industry always say the same shit, but what they really mean is they want the financial benefits without the downsides of establishment.
I am sure grass roots rugby world wide can't wait for a bunch of players to make a few million each while their funding disappears.
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I wonder how much money 'LIV Golf' has made/lost since its inception?
I cannot see how this alternative generates a decent income.
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Well.
Lets look at NZ rugby.
NZR has $300 mil annual revenue.
36% of that goes to the pro rugby players (200 full time, another 500 part time/full time)
That’s $108 mil to the pro players every year.
A very nice chunk.Now the PUs who look after the rest of the players (1,000s of amateurs and juniors) get 17% or $40 mil. of that $300 mil.
A much smaller chunk.
The PUs generate about another $40 mil; and the clubs do what they can, of course.I’m not saying that any of that is wrong.
But just trying to point out that what you are concerned about, is already happening now.
At present the pro players are already taking a large slice of money completely out of the game, every year.
That’s just how it is.What needs to happen is the rugby pie needs to grow.
And if Tindall thinks he can grow the rugby pie, I say go for it.
Because, since the game went pro a generation ago, the current establishment have proved themselves entirely incapable of doing it.The game remains a novelty.
A novelty for aficionados, and nationists who jump on board at international time.
Nationists who’d watch tiddlywinks if it was the national team.I believe there is gap in the world sports/football market for a full contact field football code.
It’s just waiting to be filled, and rugby (union) is best placed to do it.Not NZ though.
The only country in the world where the sports market has been well and truly filled by rugby! -
i fundamentally disagree with just about everything you have said.
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The game is constantly evoluting.
I watched a game of elite international rugby a few days ago.
New Zealand v Australia at U18 level.
129 points were scored in the match.
If you take that the ball was only "live" for about 37 minutes (about the mean at present).
That means that a point was scored approximately every 17 seconds.Incredible, to me at least.
Used to be you'd only see something like that in a lopsided under U13s game.
But there we have it in an elite match up.
Now that is rugby evoluting!Not sayin that's a good thing, but looks like that might be the direction we are goin.
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New Zealanders have a fundamentally different view of rugby to the rest of the world for reasons that are very obvious.
You only have to look at the state of the game of rugby in the West Island to realise that.
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@mohikamo said in "LIV Rugby"?:
The game is constantly evoluting.
I watched a game of elite international rugby a few days ago.
New Zealand v Australia at U18 level.
129 points were scored in the match.
If you take that the ball was only "live" for about 37 minutes (about the mean at present).
That means that a point was scored approximately every 17 seconds.Incredible, to me at least.
Used to be you'd only see something like that in a lopsided under U13s game.
But there we have it in an elite match up.
Now that is rugby evoluting!Not sayin that's a good thing, but looks like that might be the direction we are goin.
Or both defence coaches should be jettisoned
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@MiketheSnow said in "LIV Rugby"?:
@mohikamo said in "LIV Rugby"?:
The game is constantly evoluting.
I watched a game of elite international rugby a few days ago.
New Zealand v Australia at U18 level.
129 points were scored in the match.
If you take that the ball was only "live" for about 37 minutes (about the mean at present).
That means that a point was scored approximately every 17 seconds.Incredible, to me at least.
Used to be you'd only see something like that in a lopsided under U13s game.
But there we have it in an elite match up.
Now that is rugby evoluting!Not sayin that's a good thing, but looks like that might be the direction we are goin.
Or both defence coaches should be jettisoned
Or ejecoluted.
