Black Caps vs England Series
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@Rapido said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I have to admit, I hate bazball.
If losses don't matter, or draws don't matter, then do wins matter?
But mostly, I hate seeing my bowlers getting carted around for 90 overs ....
Also, as a fan of bowling and the real reason I watch cricket at all , I find dismissals caught in the ring or outfield as sexy as susan boyle dressed as a page boy.
But, secretly, I suspect it actually kind of works. Certainly it is more effective than the terrible top 3 England had in the 3 or 4 years before bazball. E.g. bazball-Crawley is 50% better than non-bazball-Crawley. And I suspect NZ would have found similar for Martin Guptill.
However. On Indian dustbowls I think bazball is great fun, and I think it is a good approach. Despit NZ winning 3 nil with orthodox and classy Will Young approach. So, ... fuck knows ???
There are two things I hate about Bazball..
- The fucking name. Just forget it.
- Some of the quotes coming out of the England camp. It just gives the wrong impression. Don't care about losses? Fuck off. Of course you do but I don't think that is what you actually meant to say. How about saying "We're not afraid to risk losing in order to try and force a win".
In reality this brand of Test Cricket is not new. The Aussies have been playing hard, attacking cricket for decades - and the WI before them. Maybe England have dialled it up a bit more and of course there are some more adventurous shots around now that wouldn't have been considered in years gone by. The big difference though is that it is England playing this way when the mantra was "we're not afraid to draw if it means we might not actually lose". For this much credit must go to Rob Key who has given coach, skipper and therefore the team the licence to play this way and the structures and consistency to assist and reward a positive attitude.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
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@booboo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
We haven't used Phillips well. He's at best a part time bowler, and his first class record suggests that - decent enough averages but has never bowled a huge amount of overs. So batting him at 7 just makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you consider we've been insisting on playing Blundell as an all rounder and batting him at 6 when leading up to that century he'd been averaging about 14 for the past year, on top of his glove work being generally untidy.
Swapping them around would benefit both players. It'd give Phillips a chance to bat with batsmen more instead of managing the tail, to see if he can replicate his 40 FC average at test level. It would also mean he can come out with a license to play his natural attacking game knowing there is still enough batting left to eek out some more runs if needed. For Blundell it'd take some pressure off his batting and hopefully allow him to focus a bit more on his glovework which is his primary role in the team.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
We haven't used Phillips well. He's at best a part time bowler, and his first class record suggests that - decent enough averages but has never bowled a huge amount of overs. So batting him at 7 just makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you consider we've been insisting on playing Blundell as an all rounder and batting him at 6 when leading up to that century he'd been averaging about 14 for the past year, on top of his glove work being generally untidy.
Swapping them around would benefit both players. It'd give Phillips a chance to bat with batsmen more instead of managing the tail, to see if he can replicate his 40 FC average at test level. It would also mean he can come out with a license to play his natural attacking game knowing there is still enough batting left to eek out some more runs if needed. For Blundell it'd take some pressure off his batting and hopefully allow him to focus a bit more on his glovework which is his primary role in the team.
This is an astonishingly well thought out post. Too much sense for it to be written by a Ferner !
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@MN5 said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
We haven't used Phillips well. He's at best a part time bowler, and his first class record suggests that - decent enough averages but has never bowled a huge amount of overs. So batting him at 7 just makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you consider we've been insisting on playing Blundell as an all rounder and batting him at 6 when leading up to that century he'd been averaging about 14 for the past year, on top of his glove work being generally untidy.
Swapping them around would benefit both players. It'd give Phillips a chance to bat with batsmen more instead of managing the tail, to see if he can replicate his 40 FC average at test level. It would also mean he can come out with a license to play his natural attacking game knowing there is still enough batting left to eek out some more runs if needed. For Blundell it'd take some pressure off his batting and hopefully allow him to focus a bit more on his glovework which is his primary role in the team.
This is an astonishingly well thought out post. Too much sense for it to be written by a Ferner !
Totally agree
@No-Quarter are you @Mauss ?
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@No-Quarter when Blundell went through his best scoring patch from early 2022 to mid 2023 he was batting at 6. So I think they are hoping that will return.
Other than 3,4 and 5, I think we have question marks across our batting lineup.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@MN5 said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@booboo said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs England Series:
I fail to see the point of Philips. Not good enough at bowling, doesn't contribute enough with the bat and has brain farts I the field. Second thoughts, he's a traditional Black Caps all-rounder
He's made me think he's a really promising batsman. Just not delivered on that in this series.
The bowling and fielding is a bonus.
I want him to deliver on his primary role, which because of my fanboi-ing I'm sure he can ...
We haven't used Phillips well. He's at best a part time bowler, and his first class record suggests that - decent enough averages but has never bowled a huge amount of overs. So batting him at 7 just makes no sense. It makes even less sense when you consider we've been insisting on playing Blundell as an all rounder and batting him at 6 when leading up to that century he'd been averaging about 14 for the past year, on top of his glove work being generally untidy.
Swapping them around would benefit both players. It'd give Phillips a chance to bat with batsmen more instead of managing the tail, to see if he can replicate his 40 FC average at test level. It would also mean he can come out with a license to play his natural attacking game knowing there is still enough batting left to eek out some more runs if needed. For Blundell it'd take some pressure off his batting and hopefully allow him to focus a bit more on his glovework which is his primary role in the team.
This is an astonishingly well thought out post. Too much sense for it to be written by a Ferner !
Totally agree
@No-Quarter are you @Mauss ?
@No-Quarter is a millennial and therefor that post was most likely plagiarised from someone older and wiser.
I am unsure of @Mauss's generation so am unable to make gross generalisations about him but the post does really make sense and will inevitably not happen. It's annoying Phillips is not being utilised properly at the moment. -
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@1kiwi I'm dark about our summer
Lots of white ball, overloading on t20
Basically finished by Christmas. Then we're touring Jan and Feb, inbound short again and then we're playing England away in June.
I'm going to lean into domestic cricket I reckon
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Black Caps bowlers got absolutely pumped.
England 236/4
Caps currently 28/2 from 3.
Are leg side wides not a thing anymore?
Seen 2 deliveries sneak down leg side in the last 2 overs which don’t appear to have touched the batter on the way through and they haven’t been called wide…. Interesting to say the least. -
Chapman and Seifert have done well after losing those 2 early wickets, but they’ve really struggled in the last couple of overs.
As I type, Seifert dispatches a beamer over the fence, and promptly returns to the struggle… nicks one to the keeper on the free hit.
87/2 from 9.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@1kiwi I'm dark about our summer
Lots of white ball, overloading on t20
Basically finished by Christmas. Then we're touring Jan and Feb, inbound short again and then we're playing England away in June.
I'm going to lean into domestic cricket I reckon
You're forgetting the Windies are turning up here to get pummelled in the test series but I get your point.
Three beat downs of a shit team does not make a Summer of Cricket. Loads of T20s where we forget the results after five minutes apparently does.
I can only hope the team are competitive against England in June ( certainly more so than the last tour there ) but just THREE tests before then against modest opposition isn't ideal preperation.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@1kiwi I'm dark about our summer
Lots of white ball, overloading on t20
Basically finished by Christmas. Then we're touring Jan and Feb, inbound short again and then we're playing England away in June.
I'm going to lean into domestic cricket I reckon
You're forgetting the Windies are turning up here to get pummelled in the test series but I get your point.
Three beat downs of a shit team does not make a Summer of Cricket. Loads of T20s where we forget the results after five minutes apparently does.
Fuck I got bored last night. Sixes and fours just don't mean anything when they are so frequent - big bats, small boundaries, flat pitches.
Seeing the new batting stances reminds me of baseball. Ironic how the games converge in some areas after so long apart (well, as I understand it - Rounders/Cricket --> baseball/softball)
Given how different T20 is to Tests, is this a chance to administrate these as different sports? Fulltime Test players touring the world, fulltime T20 zooming around. You could watch both sides competing the same day - Tests in the day, then T20 at night.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@MN5 said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs England Series:
@1kiwi I'm dark about our summer
Lots of white ball, overloading on t20
Basically finished by Christmas. Then we're touring Jan and Feb, inbound short again and then we're playing England away in June.
I'm going to lean into domestic cricket I reckon
You're forgetting the Windies are turning up here to get pummelled in the test series but I get your point.
Three beat downs of a shit team does not make a Summer of Cricket. Loads of T20s where we forget the results after five minutes apparently does.
Fuck I got bored last night. Sixes and fours just don't mean anything when they are so frequent - big bats, small boundaries, flat pitches.
Seeing the new batting stances reminds me of baseball. Ironic how the games converge in some areas after so long apart (well, as I understand it - Rounders/Cricket --> baseball/softball)
Given how different T20 is to Tests, is this a chance to administrate these as different sports? Fulltime Test players touring the world, fulltime T20 zooming around. You could watch both sides competing the same day - Tests in the day, then T20 at night.
It is literally too much. Sixes used to mean something. Imagine what Viv Richards, Beefy Botham, Gordon Greenidge and our own Lance Cairns would do with todays bats and the smaller boundaries ?
I'd stick my neck out and say the great Sir Viv would average a bit over 60 today.
