All Blacks 2025
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@sparky said in All Blacks 2025:
The similarities are quite striking in terms of their management speak and also how they like to celebrate victories.
Razor won’t be able to go to World Rugby awards after the EOYT.
He will be walking to John O Groats for some spastics.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 And I think history suggests he is quite a good culture coach - as stupid as it sounds our issues are in attack and defence.
The forwards are going quite well individually (suggests Ryan is doing his job), but if Robertson is brave he’ll clean house with the rest at the end of the year.
My worry is though, Wayne Smith as the new attack coach and I just don’t think that is a good idea.
Oh piss off, we had players GIVING UP and just walking around against SA as they racked up a record score against us at home. If that's the "culture" Razor is bringing then he can fuck right off. Never seen that before from an AB side, don't want to ever see it again.
The David Brent comparisons are on point here.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 And I think history suggests he is quite a good culture coach - as stupid as it sounds our issues are in attack and defence.
The forwards are going quite well individually (suggests Ryan is doing his job), but if Robertson is brave he’ll clean house with the rest at the end of the year.
My worry is though, Wayne Smith as the new attack coach and I just don’t think that is a good idea.
Do the ABs need a culture-focused coach?
It seems like that was a strength for the last 12 years.
Excellent actual coaching though….There doesn’t seem to be any edge.
They are too comfortable.
They are celebrities whose art is rugby. The result is secondary. The content, fashion, sound bites and transparent lensed glasses and ear rings are en vogue.
They want to be later day Money Mayweather without putting in the hard yakka to become Pretty Boy Floyd in the first place. -
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2025:
The article from the Herald (I think) mentioned that Razor saw himself as the ‘culture’ coach with NFL style sub-coaching appointments for those who do, well, I guess the actual coaching.
If that was his pitch to NZR, then the board should be sacked and investigated for breach of their fiduciary duties.
Paul implies that in the article, to be fair. It's very clear where his allegiances lie.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life Article on PR today, Ardie reckons ABs are in a better place in 2025 than 2024 and heading in right direction...
well, ok. i feel better.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Suggesting Scott Robertson is some Ted Lasso, David Brent character just ain’t it. The guy has won basically every season of his career until now.
He has underwhelmed in black no doubt, but he isn’t an idiot.
With stacked teams, full of professionals who knew how to prepare, train and execute regardless of the coach or who responded to the motivational mumbo jumbo and didn't need anything else to perform to their best. How well would Robertson have done with the Highlanders, going up against teams with better players? His appointment was absolutely justified by his success at lower levels but he's now looking like a myth.
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@mariner4life #metoo!
But I guess to take some positive from it, given the talk of possible issues in the squad (inc coaching group) it may point towards there not (major) being issues there, so who knows.
Not sure who this Newboult fella is, but he has penned an article re possible replacements for Holland...
Frontrunners: Roger Randle, Andrew Goodman, Scott Hansen
In the mix Joe Schmidt, David Hill
Outside bets James Marshall, Brad Cooper, Cory Brown, Jason O’Halloran
Wild cards: Brad Mooar, Wayne Smith, Ronan O’Gara, Tony Brown
Surely not: Leon MacDonald, Dave RennieAll Blacks coach departs! 15 possible replacements from 'the highly improbable' to the 'slighty awkward' top choice
Backs coach Jason Holland will leave the All Blacks set-up at the end of the season so we have delved into his potential replacements.
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He's dyslexic, I can understand the use of visual images. But farm animals as rugby players? I'm not convinced by The Office comparison for Razor. Given other reports, I'm going with Wallace Footrot.
That time Sue met rugby legend Scott Robertson
Scott Robertson walks onto the plane and every male is thinking,“Sit by me. Sit by me.” Instead, he sits in a window seat beside the only person who doesn’t know his name, what team he coaches, or even how the season is going for him...me.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Suggesting Scott Robertson is some Ted Lasso, David Brent character just ain’t it. The guy has won basically every season of his career until now.
He has underwhelmed in black no doubt, but he isn’t an idiot.
With stacked teams, full of professionals who knew how to prepare, train and execute regardless of the coach or who responded to the motivational mumbo jumbo and didn't need anything else to perform to their best. How well would Robertson have done with the Highlanders, going up against teams with better players? His appointment was absolutely justified by his success at lower levels but he's now looking like a myth.
So why wasn't Blackadder successful? Why haven't Canterbury won the NPC since 2018? It's the players when it goes well, but the coaches when it goes bad?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2025:
He's dyslexic, I can understand the use of visual images. But farm animals as rugby players? I'm not convinced by The Office comparison for Razor. Given other reports, I'm going with Wallace Footrot.
That time Sue met rugby legend Scott Robertson
Scott Robertson walks onto the plane and every male is thinking,“Sit by me. Sit by me.” Instead, he sits in a window seat beside the only person who doesn’t know his name, what team he coaches, or even how the season is going for him...me.
Whilst Razor probably enjoyed the peace and quiet imagine if he sat by someone from the fern. The moment they landed and he could switch his phone off flight mode he'd be on the blower to Dalton Papalii, Hoskins Sotutu and maybe even Akira Ioane getting them straight back in the team.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal didnt we always hear it didnt matter who coached the ABs?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal didnt we always hear it didnt matter who coached the ABs?
John Hart didn't hear that.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2025:
he'd be on the blower to Dalton Papalii,
too good a defender
Hoskins Sotutu
too talented an 8. Plus he's tall, and good in a lineout. Preposterous suggestion.
and maybe even Akira Ioane
Can't. Once they're overseas Robertson doesn't even think about them. Ever. Never. Ever.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Suggesting Scott Robertson is some Ted Lasso, David Brent character just ain’t it. The guy has won basically every season of his career until now.
He has underwhelmed in black no doubt, but he isn’t an idiot.
With stacked teams, full of professionals who knew how to prepare, train and execute regardless of the coach or who responded to the motivational mumbo jumbo and didn't need anything else to perform to their best. How well would Robertson have done with the Highlanders, going up against teams with better players? His appointment was absolutely justified by his success at lower levels but he's now looking like a myth.
So why wasn't Blackadder successful? Why haven't Canterbury won the NPC since 2018? It's the players when it goes well, but the coaches when it goes bad?
Don't know. Could have been because Blackadder was just a really bad coach, the players didn't respond to his style at all, the competition was stronger for the most part, the other teams just had better lineups during that time. Not that many Crusaders coaches have been unsuccessful so there must be a reason.
Looking at teams Robertson has coached, Canterbury won the NPC the five years before Robertson took over and the two years after he left, the Crusaders won Super Rugby this year and we all know how amazing their recruitment and talent identification is, the NZ U20 team won the year before Robertson had the job.
I just think he's had the privilege of coaching teams with historically more talented lineups and we don't know if he would have had the same success without that advantage. He didn't want to test himself coaching overseas, away from Canterbury and the Crusaders.
Maybe his 'style' of coaching doesn't work unless he has that talent. We’re seeing Robertson face that test now and he’s not doing well so far.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal so all the Crusaders he worked with over those successive championships were dummies
Not “all”, some weren’t from Canterbury.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life Article on PR today, Ardie reckons ABs are in a better place in 2025 than 2024 and heading in right direction...
well, ok. i feel better.
How can you not after that sterling defensive display in Wellington. Much better than 2024.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@mariner4life Article on PR today, Ardie reckons ABs are in a better place in 2025 than 2024 and heading in right direction...
well, ok. i feel better.
How can you not after that sterling defensive display in Wellington. Much better than 2024.
as long as the boys are happy you know? it is, after all, only a game.
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@mariner4life well, it is meant to be fun, and it didnt look like they were having fun!!
Winning is infinitely more fun than losing, but if you gonna lose, at least look like you still want to win!
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
Suggesting Scott Robertson is some Ted Lasso, David Brent character just ain’t it. The guy has won basically every season of his career until now.
He has underwhelmed in black no doubt, but he isn’t an idiot.
With stacked teams, full of professionals who knew how to prepare, train and execute regardless of the coach or who responded to the motivational mumbo jumbo and didn't need anything else to perform to their best. How well would Robertson have done with the Highlanders, going up against teams with better players? His appointment was absolutely justified by his success at lower levels but he's now looking like a myth.
So why wasn't Blackadder successful? Why haven't Canterbury won the NPC since 2018? It's the players when it goes well, but the coaches when it goes bad?
We've done this before.
Some here-ish.
Some here.
Some of those old threads are fun reading, now that we see the results with Razor.
