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@Cyclops said in Other Cricket:
Yeah much as I hate to admit it, Imran is probably the best of the 80s 'big 4'.
Bradman is Bradman. He's in the dictionary for being in the best.
Flower, Shakib and Khan clearly the best of a limited field (same as Hadlee pre Kane to be fair).
Murali is closer, because Sangakkara is sensational batter, but Murali is one of the few spinners to go to India and make the Indian batsmen squirm. Even Warne couldn't do that. I've never bought into the chucking thing.
Imran in the 80s averaged about 19 with the ball and 50 with the bat. Mind blowing really ( although he got quite a few not outs )
Hadlee took more wickets in this period for an average a tiny bit higher, very little in it but Imrans superior batting and the fact he was captain as well make him an absolute generational great.
It's easy to label Sangakkara as a home track bully ( he averaged 60 at home ) but goddamn it, he averaged 54 away too !!!! statistically on paper better than Tendulkar, Dravid, Lara, Ponting, Kallis etc. Just never captured the imagination like they did perhaps ? and obviously a lot of his away runs were on subcontinent pitches ?
He just doesn't seem to get mentioned alongside those guys.
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man turning pitches can be fun to watch. But blow that for a batsman. One of the balls got delivered from the outside of the crease, heading down leg, pitched on leg and took off stump past the bat. Just insane. You'd walk off thinking you didn't do too badly.
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Australia playing India in ODIs - Oz won the first two. Watched a bit of the second one the other night.
Third one is on. Oz were cruising but lost their last 7 wickets for about 50 runs, so a pretty mediocre target of 236.
Oz playing with a bit of a regenerated line-up - Short, Renshaw, Connolly, Owen, Ellis.
India has Rohit and Virat batting 134/1 and looking in control.
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A couple of thoughts.....
No surprises with the Australians at the top of the heap. Look at Gilchrists win percentage !!!!! I am surprised Lyon made it though.
The Poms who got in did it more out of longevity than sheer brilliance.
No Tendulkar or Dravid really surprises me given their excellence and longevity.
No Lara less so as his team was often poor.
I can't find a list of most wins for NZ, I suspect KW and Taylor are at the top.
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
A couple of thoughts.....
No surprises with the Australians at the top of the heap. Look at Gilchrists win percentage !!!!! I am surprised Lyon made it though.
The Poms who got in did it more out of longevity than sheer brilliance.
No Tendulkar or Dravid really surprises me given their excellence and longevity.
No Lara less so as his team was often poor.
I can't find a list of most wins for NZ, I suspect KW and Taylor are at the top.
What are you talking about, googles A1 has that question answered right here…
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@Virgil said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
A couple of thoughts.....
No surprises with the Australians at the top of the heap. Look at Gilchrists win percentage !!!!! I am surprised Lyon made it though.
The Poms who got in did it more out of longevity than sheer brilliance.
No Tendulkar or Dravid really surprises me given their excellence and longevity.
No Lara less so as his team was often poor.
I can't find a list of most wins for NZ, I suspect KW and Taylor are at the top.
What are you talking about, googles A1 has that question answered right here…
Brilliant.
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@Virgil turns out I was wrong about KW and Rossco, they're in a three way tie for second most wins with another player.....
Our greatest player ever only managed 22 wins in 86 tests which REALLY surprised me.
Care to guess who is first ? ( or cheat and Google it which is surprisingly hard to do )
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@nzzp said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
or cheat and Google it which is surprisingly hard to do
I used AI. It's ideal for that sort of stat nerdery.
Interesting answer!
Good man. Shouldn't take too long to figure out.
Another one that really threw me was an all time kiwi great only winning SIXTEEN of the 77 tests he played in. ( undisputed great, in my opinion our third best player ever )
We really do look back on the 80s with Rose tinted glasses a bit, in saying that draws were far more common back then.
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@Virgil turns out I was wrong about KW and Rossco, they're in a three way tie for second most wins with another player.....
Our greatest player ever only managed 22 wins in 86 tests which REALLY surprised me.
Care to guess who is first ? ( or cheat and Google it which is surprisingly hard to do )
Top of my head 86 tests sounds like Hogan?
if so he did play the bulk of his career at some of our lowest points. Late 80's to early 90's we were pretty shit.. -
@Virgil said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@Virgil turns out I was wrong about KW and Rossco, they're in a three way tie for second most wins with another player.....
Our greatest player ever only managed 22 wins in 86 tests which REALLY surprised me.
Care to guess who is first ? ( or cheat and Google it which is surprisingly hard to do )
Top of my head 86 tests sounds like Hogan?
if so he did play the bulk of his career at some of our lowest points. Late 80's to early 90's we were pretty shit..I said "our greatest" not "one of our greatest"
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@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@Virgil said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@Virgil turns out I was wrong about KW and Rossco, they're in a three way tie for second most wins with another player.....
Our greatest player ever only managed 22 wins in 86 tests which REALLY surprised me.
Care to guess who is first ? ( or cheat and Google it which is surprisingly hard to do )
Top of my head 86 tests sounds like Hogan?
if so he did play the bulk of his career at some of our lowest points. Late 80's to early 90's we were pretty shit..I said "our greatest" not "one of our greatest"
ahhh paddles, i knew Crowe played around the same number of tests. Actually less, 77.
There were alot of draws in the 80's too. Not just us but other sides too
India and Pakistan famously played out 12 or 13 draws in a row around then too. -
@Virgil said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@Virgil said in Other Cricket:
@MN5 said in Other Cricket:
@Virgil turns out I was wrong about KW and Rossco, they're in a three way tie for second most wins with another player.....
Our greatest player ever only managed 22 wins in 86 tests which REALLY surprised me.
Care to guess who is first ? ( or cheat and Google it which is surprisingly hard to do )
Top of my head 86 tests sounds like Hogan?
if so he did play the bulk of his career at some of our lowest points. Late 80's to early 90's we were pretty shit..I said "our greatest" not "one of our greatest"
ahhh paddles, i knew Crowe played around the same number of tests. Actually less, 77.
There were alot of draws in the 80's too. Not just us but other sides too
India and Pakistan famously played out 12 or 13 draws in a row around then too.Oh absolutely.
But it was worse prior to that. Bert Sutcliffe is one of those old timers with a very good record, in the discussion for a greatest NZ XI of all time and he didn't manage a single test win in 42 attempts !!!! ( 23 losses and 19 draws )
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360870220/young-australian-cricketer-dies-after-being-struck-neck-ball
Tragic news. Use of helmets has made a massive difference in the game, but I guess no 100% guarantees.
