Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2
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Just thinking about that YouTube video.
After a period of two or three years with all us old die hards saying shit like "it's just rugby, "he didn't mean to", "game's gone soft" how often do you see these incidents now? Judicial and Officiating clamp don has worked.
By the same token I expect the clamp down on the head impacts will start to have the same effects and players will learn not to put themselves in danger like Beirne did. Don't be upright, don't brace, don't lead with your shoulder without wrapping...
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Maybe I didn’t see all the relevant comments, but the key theme on the RC was that it should be red based on history and current interpretation. Im not sure that anyone here really wants those sorts of things to be red, but we need some consistency.
I personally thought YC was about right.
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@nostrildamus said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I was following the game but not seeing it, and had an eye on this thread at the time but not posting.
I genuinely don't know how you do that mate! Read a (or those that post) on forum during a game. I can't take my eyes of screen, lol it's the same when I go to games, my mrs always laughs, doesn't utter a word to me until there a big break, she reckons I never hear her, or even blink!
Probably why I don't drink when I go to games, f*** that I not going for a slash or get refills while there rugby to watch.One of reasons I dislike mexican waves etc, sit down ya idiots, you get in the way!
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@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
And how many minutes did Aaron Smith average during that purple patch of AB rugby….
Pre 2015, roughly 70,
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@Dan54 said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I genuinely don't know how you do that mate!
Not ideal-I didn't have live access for this game and following the match thread was like a game-who are they complaining about, what is the score, are they talking about something now or 5 minutes ago?
But apart from playing who's called whom a fluffybunny games, yes, much rather have watched it at the time. But I've noticed for AB games when I watch it after hearing the score I notice things more than when I'm watching it as it plays-the blinkers of fandom I guess.
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I didn't say it, but I was extremely confident we would win this game.
For several reasons, all big picture, which I wont bother you with.
I leave the minutiae to the rest of the ferners.And I too did not watch the game until after I read the thread.
And glad I did, because I had my finger on the fast-forward button to get rid of all that officiating shite.
Started slow and finished fast; I liked that.Ironically (because the next teams are lower ranked than the Irish) less confident about the games coming; but that is more about us than the opposition.
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@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
And how many minutes did Aaron Smith average during that purple patch of AB rugby….
Pre 2015, roughly 70,
2016-2017, roughly 65
2018-2023, roughly 60And in that 2013 test vs Ireland he played all 85 minutes!
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@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
And how many minutes did Aaron Smith average during that purple patch of AB rugby….
Pre 2015, roughly 70,
2016-2017, roughly 65
2018-2023, roughly 60And in that 2013 test vs Ireland he played all 85 minutes!
That 2023 match against Ireland he played the whole game too ...
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We are going to need our first choice halfback to play big minutes if not the whole game from time to time.
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@Nepia said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Richie8-7 said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Anyway, not saying we're playing well. Just saying some "supporters" have lost the plot.
Did you wake up from a coma in 2024? The plot was well and truly lost in the Fozzie era, there's not even close to the same vitriol towards Razor despite the Saffa loss.
And probably correctly so. Robertson had to have a little time to get into it. Foster had years of below acceptable results. Personally, I think that time is now over for the new regime, but I was prepared to cut him some slack he had / has a lot to fix from Foster. At least Razor has won things before, Foster couldn't even win Super and yet Rennie did it at the same franchise as soon as he left. (My attitude towards the Foster years would have mellowed only slightly had he pulled off a miracle at the end there, but only slightly).
That loss in Welly for Robertson though, fuck me...
Happy with the Chicago win, winning ugly is winning, which is fine by me (for now).
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On the BB high shot / red card, I couldn't believe that Roigard threw that pass at all - even if it he had managed to not throw it forward, how the fuck is our gameplan to have Beauden taking crash ball off 9 into forwards?!!
And I'm sure it's been mentioned ad nauseum in here, but how Beauden didn't have to do an HIA, I'll never know. The HIA process was a debacle all game.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
what are the chances the red card gets rescinded?
Yeah, people trying to justify a straight up shoulder with tucked elbow by saying he wasn't expecting it. Obviously the same people who line up to buy something at the shop then when they get to the counter dig around their handbag for half an hour for their wallet because they weren't expecting to have to pay.
A seasoned professional in one of the best teams in the world wasn't expecting to have to tackle whilst advancing in the defensive line. Give me a break.
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@voodoo said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
On the BB high shot / red card, I couldn't believe that Roigard threw that pass at all - even if it he had managed to not throw it forward, how the fuck is our gameplan to have Beauden taking crash ball off 9 into forwards?!!
And I'm sure it's been mentioned ad nauseum in here, but how Beauden didn't have to do an HIA, I'll never know. The HIA process was a debacle all game.
I thought BB got crashed into/beaten up at least 3 times and was amazed they left him on the pitch so long. I really don't think they trust DMac to run the cutter.
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@nostrildamus said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Dan54 said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I genuinely don't know how you do that mate!
Not ideal-I didn't have live access for this game and following the match thread was like a game-who are they complaining about, what is the score, are they talking about something now or 5 minutes ago?
But apart from playing who's called whom a fluffybunny games, yes, much rather have watched it at the time. But I've noticed for AB games when I watch it after hearing the score I notice things more than when I'm watching it as it plays-the blinkers of fandom I guess.
Do agree about it watching later etc you do see more. I know hoe tense I get when watching and emotions can make you see things differently/properly?
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@voodoo said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
And I'm sure it's been mentioned ad nauseum in here, but how Beauden didn't have to do an HIA, I'll never know. The HIA process was a debacle all game.
Yeah I've been banging that drum for years.
Clear head contact, yet no HIA? If it is enough of a contact to warrant a card and a red review, then it should also warrant a check up on his well being...
But I also hate cards, should only be for filth.
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@ShaquilleOatmeal said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Nepia said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@nostrildamus said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Then again, Roigard was being a right fluffybunny to JGP.
Yeah, just give him the fucking ball when it's their scrum rather than being a dickhead.
Roigard has been getting on my nerves a bit in the last few games. There's this kind of stuff along with the over the top celebrations after scoring tries and even acting up before putting the ball down. Just as well he's so useful.
I'm perfectly fine with a bit of gamesmanship from him. Dollars to donuts JGP would do exactly the same - it's good to get under his skin because he's so damn good. If JGP has an average game, Ireland are a different beast.
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@canefan said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Richie8-7 not sure anyone is asking for any players to be sacked, but the coaches... can you name a worse AB performance then that home loss to SA? As far as I can tell that's the worst performance of all time, so "worst AB team in last 50 years" isn't exactly over-egging it after that. 43 fucking 10 with players giving up in the final 10. On the back of that performance, and the shit show we served up for the first 60 minutes of that match before Ireland shat the bed, yeah people are going to be harshly critical. Unless we just accept mediocrity in the ABs these days, maybe we should?
The only player who is getting almost universal calls from TSF to be dropped is BB
Not to be taken as an argument for his retention, but the try that killed Irish hopes was Beaudy's evasion, isolation of the Irish rush defender and well timed pass to DMac (who hit the hole perfectly).
I'm sick of reading about his general play kicking as it's obviously the game plan to prevent the rush defence (as DMac does the same when starting). It's the obvious point his legs aren't what they were that's the problem.
Damien has a nicer pass on him, but with his predilection for flat passes, more likely to give an intercept.
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@nzzp said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
what are the chances the red card gets rescinded?
Should be zero.
These things are both true:
The WR framework means that is a Red Card.
The contact was soft and feels more yellow-worthy.
But really, if BB was knocked out would we be saying yellow? Head into shoulder can have really bad outcomes.
Don't go on
TwitterX as every Irishman has suddenly determined that an illegal tackle that doesn't maim an opponent should be viewed on the effect. I don't know what the potato famine is for quelle surprise, but insert it here. -
@reprobate said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I wasn't surprised the card turned red, but I think it's really harsh. The Irish guy didn't think he was making a tackle at all. BB didn't think he was getting the ball. The Irish captain was right, the pass was forward, which put them both in a collision they weren't prepared for. It was accidental, and I'd be much happier if that was yellow.
I'd be happy with a penalty but on the guidelines the TMO got that perfectly correct. No attempt to tackle on a flat pass, which even if Beauden wasn't expecting he still caught it. I also don't consider it to have been obviously forward.
And we're talking about the same country whose supporters howled at every perceived transgression, so they got what they were asking for. Fuck 'em.
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@voodoo said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
And I'm sure it's been mentioned ad nauseum in here, but how Beauden didn't have to do an HIA, I'll never know. The HIA process was a debacle all game.
Yeah I've been banging that drum for years.
Clear head contact, yet no HIA? If it is enough of a contact to warrant a card and a red review, then it should also warrant a check up on his well being...
But I also hate cards, should only be for filth.
BB was perfectly fine. Doesn't every veteran first five put in a pop gun kick to the middle of the field when taking a PK for touch?
