Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2
-
@reprobate said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I wasn't surprised the card turned red, but I think it's really harsh. The Irish guy didn't think he was making a tackle at all. BB didn't think he was getting the ball. The Irish captain was right, the pass was forward, which put them both in a collision they weren't prepared for. It was accidental, and I'd be much happier if that was yellow.
I'd be happy with a penalty but on the guidelines the TMO got that perfectly correct. No attempt to tackle on a flat pass, which even if Beauden wasn't expecting he still caught it. I also don't consider it to have been obviously forward.
And we're talking about the same country whose supporters howled at every perceived transgression, so they got what they were asking for. Fuck 'em.
-
@taniwharugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@voodoo said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
And I'm sure it's been mentioned ad nauseum in here, but how Beauden didn't have to do an HIA, I'll never know. The HIA process was a debacle all game.
Yeah I've been banging that drum for years.
Clear head contact, yet no HIA? If it is enough of a contact to warrant a card and a red review, then it should also warrant a check up on his well being...
But I also hate cards, should only be for filth.
BB was perfectly fine. Doesn't every veteran first five put in a pop gun kick to the middle of the field when taking a PK for touch?
-
@reprobate said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
I've only just got around to watching this. To those who are trying to be positive about the margin, well, that's an Irish team in decline with an early red card, and they've had to chance their arm late.
Worst lineout performance from the usually rock-solid Taylor I can recall. New combinations not working (which fucking gets my dander up when Caleb Clarke says they've just basically had the week off!), but also not-straights.
Beauden Barrett is still being defended and picked when he is making mistakes that would see you dropped at schoolboy level. Great little pop pass to a beautiful line from McKenzie for the try, but the rest was pretty much slop.
The Irish were really mediocre. Poor kicking (apart from the excellent JGP), really poor lineout, poor scrum, lots of knock-ons (that's you James Lowe ya cockhead).
I wasn't surprised the card turned red, but I think it's really harsh. The Irish guy didn't think he was making a tackle at all. BB didn't think he was getting the ball. The Irish captain was right, the pass was forward, which put them both in a collision they weren't prepared for. It was accidental, and I'd be much happier if that was yellow.
One last comment - the whinging on here from NZers, and the sense of victimhood has become a goddamned fucking disgrace. Especially when combined with constantly calling the Irish out for exactly that. I know it's frustrating that we're a bit shit, but harden up you bunch of fluffybunnies, you're embarrassing.Spot on.
-
-
@Bones said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
What whinging and victimhood are we talking about? I must have missed it.
Perhaps it's a convenient way to suggest we've abandoned the moral high ground after countless examples showing there's no benefit to turning the other cheek.
Perhaps if we're as bad as every other nation WR will change the law interpretation and application.
-
@antipodean said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@canefan said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Richie8-7 not sure anyone is asking for any players to be sacked, but the coaches... can you name a worse AB performance then that home loss to SA? As far as I can tell that's the worst performance of all time, so "worst AB team in last 50 years" isn't exactly over-egging it after that. 43 fucking 10 with players giving up in the final 10. On the back of that performance, and the shit show we served up for the first 60 minutes of that match before Ireland shat the bed, yeah people are going to be harshly critical. Unless we just accept mediocrity in the ABs these days, maybe we should?
The only player who is getting almost universal calls from TSF to be dropped is BB
Not to be taken as an argument for his retention, but the try that killed Irish hopes was Beaudy's evasion, isolation of the Irish rush defender and well timed pass to DMac (who hit the hole perfectly).
I'm sick of reading about his general play kicking as it's obviously the game plan to prevent the rush defence (as DMac does the same when starting). It's the obvious point his legs aren't what they were that's the problem.
Damien has a nicer pass on him, but with his predilection for flat passes, more likely to give an intercept.
That was a lovely try that showcased the strengths of both men. If I was the coach and BB wasn't doing what I asked of him, I would drop him. So clearly he is doing what he is told, and apparently better at it than DMac. Which points the fault at Razor
-
@antipodean said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Bones said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
What whinging and victimhood are we talking about? I must have missed it.
Perhaps it's a convenient way to suggest we've abandoned the moral high ground after countless examples showing there's no benefit to turning the other cheek.
Perhaps if we're as bad as every other nation WR will change the law interpretation and application.
I know it's unusual for me, but that was a genuine question!
-
@Richie8-7 said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
yes, it was horrific. And pretty shocking how badly they threw in the towel. I don't think we're as bad as that result though
Horrific is an understatement.
I've been watching since '71 and never, ever seen an AB team simply give up like that. It was the worst AB performance I've ever seen by some margin. And the worrying thing is too many people simply shrugged their shoulders.
-
@Victor-Meldrew said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@Richie8-7 said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
yes, it was horrific. And pretty shocking how badly they threw in the towel. I don't think we're as bad as that result though
Horrific is an understatement.
I've been watching since '71 and never, ever seen an AB team simply give up like that. It was the worst AB performance I've ever seen by some margin. And the worrying thing is too may people simply shrugged their shoulders.
Old ABs used to talk about the fear of losing and how it drove them. It doesn't look like the new generation hold any such fear
-
@Snowy said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@frugby said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
Went under the radar, but Ratima got about three minutes. I get they rate Roigard, but the All Blacks aren't in a great place when a halfback has to go 77 minutes when, what is in theory our #2 halfback is on the bench.
Turned out to be a pretty good call to leave him on ay?
Yeah, sure you play what is front of you. If the plan is to change at 65/70 mins which is probably the norm, then thats all good, but why stick to a pre game plan if there is no need?
Roigard was clearly good to keep playing, and proved it so. I mean, he had 12 minutes in the first half to chill out whilst the modern rugby rules were put in play so would have been less drained than expected.
What's playing out in front of you, should be of equal importance, if not more, to what was in the pre-arranged plan.
-
@Bones said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
What whinging and victimhood are we talking about? I must have missed it.
You are probably right on the victimhood part, but certainly not the whinging.
I didn't watch it live and knew the result when I caught the replay so my emotions were much more in check than people watching live. If you read through the thread, the negativity for the first hour was over whelming, which is understandable, but even when we scored it was still pretty negative. Comments seemed more about Ardie adding to his highlight reel than us actually building back into the game.
Many a legendary AB team has been down/level with the opposition through 60 mins before pulling away in the last 20. I'd almost say that is our standard game. Thats exactly what happened here, but instead of embracing it, TSF seems to be far more negative about the whole thing. I'm not saying the headless and clueless chicken shit we saw is excusable, it's not and deserves the pitchforks.
As I said, emotions were in check when I watched, so perhaps I'm being a little obtuse, but ultimately, we levelled with a top tier nation for 60 mins then pulled away in the last 20 for a 4 try to 1 drubbing. That's All Black rugby.
-
@MajorRage ohhhh, I read your post as saying there was over the top whinging about Ireland/ref.
-
Rewatched the 1st half. We really get very little out of our loose forwards. Despite being a man up for 20 mins, they were hardly hitting rucks. Let alone making aggressive tackles. It looks like Tupaea, Faingaʻanuku, and even Clarke had better breakdown technique. Savea is absolutely not a 7.
I think that the MOTM votes were accurate reflections of performances:
-
@Bones said in Ireland v All Blacks - Chicago2:
@MajorRage ohhhh, I read your post as saying there was over the top whinging about Ireland/ref.
Good point. Maybe that was what the original rant was referring to ... I just jumped on board as I thought the negativity towards the team through that first hour was pretty rough.
Sadly, I don't think the referee was actually criticised enough. It made for a shocking advert for rugby.
-
@Bones our long-suffering Welsh mate’s head was fair bitten off for a pretty middle of the road take on the red.
And that was from normally sensible handles. First time in ages that I’ve chosen not to participate in a thread because I didn’t want to deal with the whinging and abuse that looked sure to follow.
But maybe I was missing some subtle irony.
-
For Saveas try, did I see De Groot skip onto the ball, draw a player and then fire a pass out to that invisible blindside?
De Groot at 10 for the next game.
I thought the ABs won the set piece battle. Line out could have been better with a couple of wayward throws but for the most past I thought it was good.
I thought the red was 100% deserved and tbh I'm disappointed it wasn't for the whole game. We drew a series, lost a series and a RWC final off the back of red cards. When it's our turn to capitalise we get 20 minutes. Great.
