England v All Blacks
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My Backline for England: 9. Roigard 10. DMac 11. LF 12. Tupaea 13. Proctor 14. Jordan 15. Love
Carter has been a bit average the last two tests so might be worthwhile giving him a spell. Beaudy to covere 10 and 15 from the bench where I think he's the most impactful these days.
@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:
My Backline for England: 9. Roigard 10. DMac 11. LF 12. Tupaea 13. Proctor 14. Jordan 15. Love
Carter has been a bit average the last two tests so might be worthwhile giving him a spell. Beaudy to covere 10 and 15 from the bench where I think he's the most impactful these days.
Gotta get Proctor in somehow eh.
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So now we are getting into the three tests in a row theory. They were starting to look pretty tired some of them. The bench made a difference. Is a bit of rotation a possibility?
@brodean yeah Razor doesnt seem to subscribe to that theory, given this match was always likely to be the toughest he does like to play 'his best' side each week.
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I’m worried about this one. England have genuine depth in most positions and overwhelmingly so at the loose forward position so the breakdown maybe a long night.
Their strength – kicking and chasing contestable kicks is our weakness. In the Aussie game they created a semicircle of 3 player around the kick contest to cleanup the intentional tap-backs or get a jackal if it goes the other way. (A decent strategy I’d like us to do.)
We know what they’re going to do all night - I’d select our team with this in mind.
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@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:
My Backline for England: 9. Roigard 10. DMac 11. LF 12. Tupaea 13. Proctor 14. Jordan 15. Love
Carter has been a bit average the last two tests so might be worthwhile giving him a spell. Beaudy to covere 10 and 15 from the bench where I think he's the most impactful these days.
Gotta get Proctor in somehow eh.
@Frank said in England Vs All Blacks:
@Canes4life said in England Vs All Blacks:
My Backline for England: 9. Roigard 10. DMac 11. LF 12. Tupaea 13. Proctor 14. Jordan 15. Love
Carter has been a bit average the last two tests so might be worthwhile giving him a spell. Beaudy to covere 10 and 15 from the bench where I think he's the most impactful these days.
Gotta get Proctor in somehow eh.
Yeah any excuse to shoehorn him in.
He'll get a run vs Wales if he's lucky. No chance in a huge game like this.
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I doubt we'll see many changes. Other than a couple of players out with and back from injury, the only points of interest will be whether or not Carter is punished for his foot trip (I doubt he will be) and if they go back to a bigger blindside and confirm they were only prepared to play the weekend's loose forward combo against that particular opposition.
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I doubt we'll see many changes. Other than a couple of players out with and back from injury, the only points of interest will be whether or not Carter is punished for his foot trip (I doubt he will be) and if they go back to a bigger blindside and confirm they were only prepared to play the weekend's loose forward combo against that particular opposition.
@ShaquilleOatmeal said in England Vs All Blacks:
I doubt we'll see many changes. Other than a couple of players out with and back from injury, the only points of interest will be whether or not Carter is punished for his foot trip (I doubt he will be) and if they go back to a bigger blindside and confirm they were only prepared to play the weekend's loose forward combo against that particular opposition.
I suspect there is less chance to punish Carter given Clarke is out.
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UK bookies currently make England the slight favourites for this one. A rare test where the ABs go into the contest as underdogs.
https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/internationals/england-v-new-zealand/winner
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Is there anyone in Nz rugby who can catch a high ? Who ever it is, they can’t start
60% of restarts won. That’s fucking awful
@jimmyb said in England Vs All Blacks:
Is there anyone in Nz rugby who can catch a high ? Who ever it is, they can’t start
60% of restarts won. That’s fucking awful
3 out of 5. Lakai dropped one, can’t recall who dropped the other. Lord?
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Last year at Twickers we scraped by with Sititi/ Cane/ Savea and Finau on the bench.
Ardie is a guaranteed starter. So who plays at 6 and 8.
I would actually select Finau and tell him to rip in. Does his form warrant it? Probably not. Do we need some size at 6? Yep. Why not Parker? I think for a player in his first season he’s done some good things but still has areas of improvement and very much a work in progress.
I’d keep Lakai at 8 and Sititi in the bench impact/cover role.
Same tight 5 starters and bench.
I think they should keep the same midfield for this one. Ioane to left wing.
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The replacement for Clarke will tell us the pecking order for centre and left wing. If they stick with the same midfield then Ioane over Reece is the better option in the no.11 jersey. But if LF is moved to be the power winger then their choice at centre becomes much more interesting.
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The replacement for Clarke will tell us the pecking order for centre and left wing. If they stick with the same midfield then Ioane over Reece is the better option in the no.11 jersey. But if LF is moved to be the power winger then their choice at centre becomes much more interesting.
@Bovidae from a pragmatic perspective they’d have to go with the starting midfield again. It’s not like we have many combinations to call upon with our number 1 2nd 5 out.
A case of they’ll be better for the run!
Ioane was our left wing to start the season when Clark was out of the team, go back to the well I say. A bit like my call to bring Finau back.
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Biggest match of the tour. I think one Beauden John Barrett is due…..
The last 10 tests
2024 - W by 2 points (A)
2024 - W by 7 points (H)
2024 - W by 1 point (H)
2022 - Draw (A)
2019 - L by 12 points (RWC)
2018 - W by 1 point (A)
2014 - W by 3 points (A)
2014 - W by 23 points (H)
2014 - W by 1 point (H)
2014 - W by 5 points (H)@ACT-Crusader said in England Vs All Blacks:
Biggest match of the tour. I think one Beauden John Barrett is due…..
The last 10 tests
2024 - W by 2 points (A)
2024 - W by 7 points (H)
2024 - W by 1 point (H)
2022 - Draw (A)
2019 - L by 12 points (RWC)
2018 - W by 1 point (A)
2014 - W by 3 points (A)
2014 - W by 23 points (H)
2014 - W by 1 point (H)
2014 - W by 5 points (H)I think we used to lose to England once a decade with regularity - I'm pretty sure we lost in 1983, 1993, 2003 and December 2012. Not sure we lost in between.
Losing in 2019 is an abomination - but, hopefully we can restore the pattern by not losing to them this decade.
Only real question mark for me is what they do at left wing and centre. And the bench loose forward. Most likely IMO....
De Groot, Taylor, Newell, Holland, Barrett (if fit), Sititi, Savea, Lakai, Roigard, Beauden, Fainga'anuku, Tupaea, Proctor, Carter, Jordan
Williams, Samisoni, Tosi, Lord, probably Kirifi, but maybe Parker, Ratima, Dmac, Ioane
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@ACT-Crusader said in England Vs All Blacks:
Biggest match of the tour. I think one Beauden John Barrett is due…..
The last 10 tests
2024 - W by 2 points (A)
2024 - W by 7 points (H)
2024 - W by 1 point (H)
2022 - Draw (A)
2019 - L by 12 points (RWC)
2018 - W by 1 point (A)
2014 - W by 3 points (A)
2014 - W by 23 points (H)
2014 - W by 1 point (H)
2014 - W by 5 points (H)I think we used to lose to England once a decade with regularity - I'm pretty sure we lost in 1983, 1993, 2003 and December 2012. Not sure we lost in between.
Losing in 2019 is an abomination - but, hopefully we can restore the pattern by not losing to them this decade.
Only real question mark for me is what they do at left wing and centre. And the bench loose forward. Most likely IMO....
De Groot, Taylor, Newell, Holland, Barrett (if fit), Sititi, Savea, Lakai, Roigard, Beauden, Fainga'anuku, Tupaea, Proctor, Carter, Jordan
Williams, Samisoni, Tosi, Lord, probably Kirifi, but maybe Parker, Ratima, Dmac, Ioane
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Kirifi is not big enough for a game like this. Parker is too slow against the likes of Earl, Pepper and Pollock. Finau's workrate is not good enough and tends to disappear completely at times. I would bring someone from the ABs XV who has size, genuine speed and good workrate (Papali'i, Flanders or Howden).
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Kirifi is not big enough for a game like this. Parker is too slow against the likes of Earl, Pepper and Pollock. Finau's workrate is not good enough and tends to disappear completely at times. I would bring someone from the ABs XV who has size, genuine speed and good workrate (Papali'i, Flanders or Howden).
@cgrant said in England Vs All Blacks:
Kirifi is not big enough for a game like this. Parker is too slow against the likes of Earl, Pepper and Pollock. Finau's workrate is not good enough and tends to disappear completely at times. I would bring someone from the ABs XV who has size, genuine speed and good workrate (Papali'i, Flanders or Howden).
All three are smaller than Savea, Lakai and Sititi...
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Where are all the doom mongers pre Scotland that insisted the heights of Savea, Lakai and Sititi was a major issue. The issues we had were all about lack of composure, handling errors and loss of focus.
Savea, Lakai and Sititi... will be fine against England. All three have X factor and we saw that on Saturday. -
We need to focus on box kick defence.
