All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@NTA your second picture there shows the danger of a static photo to argue the point of a moving situation.
It may be exactly as you describe however DHP has already effected Saveas run and slowed him in the split second before raising his elbow.
Now if we really want to be pedantic about Laws DHP was at one point ahead of his team mate in possession of the ball and continued moving forward.....
@taniwharugby on the Rugbyrefs forum they made the same point about Franks and agreed in a materiality call it would mean they wouldn't call back the try. When judging materiality they look at the actual situation not a general one.@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
It may be exactly as you describe however DHP has already effected Saveas run and slowed him in the split second before raising his elbow.
So it "may" be as I described, but DHP has "definitely" affected Savea at this point.
Right. I'm taking your word for that, I suppose...
:rolling_eyes:
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
It may be exactly as you describe however DHP has already effected Saveas run and slowed him in the split second before raising his elbow.
So it "may" be as I described, but DHP has "definitely" affected Savea at this point.
Right. I'm taking your word for that, I suppose...
:rolling_eyes:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
It may be exactly as you describe however DHP has already effected Saveas run and slowed him in the split second before raising his elbow.
So it "may" be as I described, but DHP has "definitely" affected Savea at this point.
Right. I'm taking your word for that, I suppose...
:rolling_eyes:
Thank god for that. A reply without a stupid gif.
The "may be as you describe" comment was because we can't actually see in that shot that is the moment before lifting the elbow. We can, however, see that DHP is already in contact.
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this argument is getting dumber by the hour
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this argument is getting dumber by the hour
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
It may be exactly as you describe however DHP has already effected Saveas run and slowed him in the split second before raising his elbow.
So it "may" be as I described, but DHP has "definitely" affected Savea at this point.
Right. I'm taking your word for that, I suppose...
:rolling_eyes:
Thank god for that. A reply without a stupid gif.
The "may be as you describe" comment was because we can't actually see in that shot that is the moment before lifting the elbow. We can, however, see that DHP is already in contact.
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The "may be as you describe" comment was because we can't actually see in that shot that is the moment before lifting the elbow. We can, however, see that DHP is already in contact.
Contact isn't actually problem - you said as much in your analysis with various arms and whatnot. Shoulder-to-shoulder is fine.
Its the point where DHP actually pushes Savea off his line that is the issue, which basically happens in the next half-step.
I'm just making the point that Speight was never going to be caught in a tackle - but maybe an ankle tap - from that point. Which highlights how pointless (and damaging) DHP's actions were.
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@mariner4life no you are.
@taniwharugby Its page 13 of the thread. What do you expect?
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The "may be as you describe" comment was because we can't actually see in that shot that is the moment before lifting the elbow. We can, however, see that DHP is already in contact.
Contact isn't actually problem - you said as much in your analysis with various arms and whatnot. Shoulder-to-shoulder is fine.
Its the point where DHP actually pushes Savea off his line that is the issue, which basically happens in the next half-step.
I'm just making the point that Speight was never going to be caught in a tackle - but maybe an ankle tap - from that point. Which highlights how pointless (and damaging) DHP's actions were.
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The "may be as you describe" comment was because we can't actually see in that shot that is the moment before lifting the elbow. We can, however, see that DHP is already in contact.
Contact isn't actually problem - you said as much in your analysis with various arms and whatnot. Shoulder-to-shoulder is fine.
Its the point where DHP actually pushes Savea off his line that is the issue, which basically happens in the next half-step.
I'm just making the point that Speight was never going to be caught in a tackle - but maybe an ankle tap - from that point. Which highlights how pointless (and damaging) DHP's actions were.
No. Owen's call was that DHP deliberately changed his line to impede Savea. He didn't mention the elbow. The elbow thing just made it all the more obvious and brought it to attention.
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this argument is getting dumber by the hour
@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
this argument is getting dumber by the hour
We've seen blown up stills, however we're yet to see frame by frame images with bright neon arrows accompanied by monotone voice over commentary. So still has some ways to go.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
this argument is getting dumber by the hour
We've seen blown up stills, however we're yet to see frame by frame images with bright neon arrows accompanied by monotone voice over commentary. So still has some ways to go.
@ACT-Crusader good point. I can't wait for that.
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Are you guys done? Can we talk about how Owens cheated us out of that last try? Forward pass my ass, that was a try.
#Cheated #UnfairRefs #NoRespect #ImGonnaGoCryNow
@Unco said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Are you guys done? Can we talk about how Owens cheated us out of that last try? Forward pass my ass, that was a try.
#Cheated #UnfairRefs #NoRespect #ImGonnaGoCryNow
Two trys! Score line flattered Oz
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Don't forget Coles getting ripped off by that bastard Foley who should have seen yellow for obstruction.
THREE tries!
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Plus the missed headbutt from that hoopah scumbag.
What all this has done is distract everyone from the fact that the Wallabies got done by 27. 20 fucking 7. That is them playing well and the ABs having a fairly off night.
If the second game was a moral victory for Aus because it was only a 20 point loss and they "fronted" what does that make this game? Not to mention getting done 3-0 twice this year. Clown can get fucked. Worst coach ever.
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@NTA shoulda been Red and a 12 month ban.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA shoulda been Red and a 12 month ban.
Fuck it gets worse - check this out:
http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/internationals/match-centre/match-recap?matchid=IRB20160114
I've just realised the Wallabies made 75 tackles! That's at least... like... 15 AB tries!
You blokes have been had.
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Plus the missed headbutt from that hoopah scumbag.
What all this has done is distract everyone from the fact that the Wallabies got done by 27. 20 fucking 7. That is them playing well and the ABs having a fairly off night.
If the second game was a moral victory for Aus because it was only a 20 point loss and they "fronted" what does that make this game? Not to mention getting done 3-0 twice this year. Clown can get fucked. Worst coach ever.
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Plus the missed headbutt from that hoopah scumbag.
Still yet to see footage of this. Anyone got something?
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Plus the missed headbutt from that hoopah scumbag.
Still yet to see footage of this. Anyone got something?
@NTA I saw it shown on the big screen once (didnt get replayed) and the Scottish bloke (not MN5, and luckily with better rugby knowledge) sitting next to me said he was a grub, moments later you saw Owens walk over and speak to him, then nothing, so I doubt the citing commissioner missed it, so he obviously decided it was nothing.
I have watched parts of the game since, and not seen anything.
Maybe this was part of Cheikas deflection plan?
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@pukunui said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Plus the missed headbutt from that hoopah scumbag.
Still yet to see footage of this. Anyone got something?
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@pukunui said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Plus the missed headbutt from that hoopah scumbag.
Still yet to see footage of this. Anyone got something?
I think Phipps either pushed Hooper over headfirst or ripped his head off and threw it. Yet again, Philthy Phipps gets away unpunished.
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The headbutt was at 62:50 on the game clock just after the penalty for the ABs gets blown. Cheap and after the whistle. Im surprised there isn't an international outcry like there was after the Owen Franks face rub.
On second viewing the Wallabies 6 coming straight in the side in the final ruck before the Wallabies try is about as obvious as they get. WE WERE ROBBED! Should have been 50-0.
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Don't forget Coles getting ripped off by that bastard Foley who should have seen yellow for obstruction.
THREE tries!
