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    Even though he was wearing white? You feeling alright there @Dodge ?

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360883739/springboks-lock-lood-de-jager-suspended-rest-tour-after-red-card-paris

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    @Tim said in Red Cards & HIA:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360883739/springboks-lock-lood-de-jager-suspended-rest-tour-after-red-card-paris

    That is ridiculous. WTF

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    Should've attempted a tackle worn a green jersey.

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    Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

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    @Smuts most of us stopped holding our breath about 4 or 5 years ago

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    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Tim said in Red Cards & HIA:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360883739/springboks-lock-lood-de-jager-suspended-rest-tour-after-red-card-paris

    That is ridiculous. WTF

    Good grief. We agree. Far too short.

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    @booboo said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Tim said in Red Cards & HIA:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/360883739/springboks-lock-lood-de-jager-suspended-rest-tour-after-red-card-paris

    That is ridiculous. WTF

    Good grief. We agree. Far too short.

    🖕dumbass

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    @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

    Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

    Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

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    @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

    Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

    Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

    Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

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    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

    Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

    Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

    Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

    Well essentially you guys are the north now ....

    I look forward to the armbands this weekend.

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    @Nepia said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

    Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

    Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

    Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

    Well essentially you guys are the north now ....

    I look forward to the armbands this weekend.

    I love me a good armband

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    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Nepia said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

    Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

    Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

    Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

    Well essentially you guys are the north now ....

    I look forward to the armbands this weekend.

    I love me a good armband

    They're as South African as biltong and rac Nelson Mandela.

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    @Nepia said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Nepia said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

    Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

    Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

    Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

    Well essentially you guys are the north now ....

    I look forward to the armbands this weekend.

    I love me a good armband

    They're as South African as biltong and rac Nelson Mandela.

    Do I need to whip out a few hobbit references my precious?

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    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Nepia said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Nepia said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

    Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

    Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

    Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

    Well essentially you guys are the north now ....

    I look forward to the armbands this weekend.

    I love me a good armband

    They're as South African as biltong and rac Nelson Mandela.

    Do I need to whip out a few hobbit references my precious?

    I don't like LOTR so fire away.

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  • SmutsS Offline
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    @No-Quarter was never illusioned - reffing consistency is as likely as the ball always bouncing your way or the wind always blowing into the opposition’s teeth.

    especially in an area as difficult and important as head contact.

    And I can see how a disciplinary panel dealing with a hulking, bearded Afrikaaner coached by Rassie was let’s just say … likely … to be made an example rather than given the benefit of the very substantial doubt that exists in this instance (and in all seriousness I fucking love that. At least while we continue to fuck up all comers.)

    So I guess the short answer to your question is no, you remain lucky the officials gave you something to take the sting out of losing to us I another final. Saved your coaches and players making up another preposterous story.

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    @Nepia said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Nepia said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @W32 said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @No-Quarter said in Red Cards & HIA:

    @Smuts said in Red Cards & HIA:

    Seems a bit rough but acceptable if it leads refs to start policing tacklers who lead with one shoulder and wrap with the other arm and also stamping down on other similar illegal techniques like grass cutters. But as it didn’t, even in the same game after Lood’s red, I won’t hold my breath.

    Oh nice it seems you guys are finally starting to understand why us AB fans are so disillusioned with how incredibly inconsistently this stuff is being applied. Will you accept that Cane and Kolisi should have been both red or both yellow? Or not quite there yet.

    Maybe. I’m more inclined to think there is a north south bias with world rugby.
    Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.

    Well essentially you guys are the north now ....

    I look forward to the armbands this weekend.

    I love me a good armband

    They're as South African as biltong and rac Nelson Mandela.

    Don’t forget pacts and biased refs.

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    Owen Doyle says those from “down south” should shut up and acknowledge the north’s superiority in the world of rugby refereeing and insight into the game.
    This guy must be related to Matt Williams or attend the same self aggrandizing school.

    Colin Newboult  /  Nov 11  /  France

    Ex-ref boss calls for 'leadership' from World Rugby after 'brutally dangerous' Lood de Jager 'cheap shot'

    Ex-ref boss calls for 'leadership' from World Rugby after 'brutally dangerous' Lood de Jager 'cheap shot'

    Ex-ref boss Owen Doyle has called on World Rugby to come out in support of Angus Gardner following Lood de Jager's dismissal at the weekend.

    Of course if you’re from Ireland then this doesn’t apply. Irish players are not filth like those from down south

    Jared Wright  /  Nov 4  /  Internationals

    Ex-Irish ref boss: 'Bizarre' Tadhg Beirne decision raises questions over the 'whole process' and highlights World Rugby 'problem'

    Ex-Irish ref boss: 'Bizarre' Tadhg Beirne decision raises questions over the 'whole process' and highlights World Rugby 'problem'

    Owen Doyle has slammed the decision to red card Tadhg Beirne in the clash against the All Blacks.

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    I find the paranoia of many of the fans from the South frankly irritating, I can't understand why people can't (or won't) see the difference between those two incidents, or indeed why the two in the world cup final were different, and believe me, in that game i did not want SA to win.

    I found the apathy towards head shots before the last world cup from SH teams, coaches, pundits, commentators and fans alarming, and predicted a car crash at the world cup as a result. England have been on the end of these decisions for ages, whilst loads don't agree they should be red under the spirit of the game, I'm not aware of anyone complaining its bias (but then I hang out on SH website, not a NH one so maybe my window is skewed)

    I find the objection to last week's red genuinely bizarre, its a tucked arm shoulder hit to the head, yes he was dropping, maybe we should change the process to allow mitigation for that, but its not mitgatable today and in my view probably shouldn't be.

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    @Dodge said in Red Cards & HIA:

    I find the paranoia of many of the fans from the South frankly irritating, I can't understand why people can't (or won't) see the difference between those two incidents, or indeed why the two in the world cup final were different, and believe me, in that game i did not want SA to win.

    I found the apathy towards head shots before the last world cup from SH teams, coaches, pundits, commentators and fans alarming, and predicted a car crash at the world cup as a result. England have been on the end of these decisions for ages, whilst loads don't agree they should be red under the spirit of the game, I'm not aware of anyone complaining its bias (but then I hang out on SH website, not a NH one so maybe my window is skewed)

    I find the objection to last week's red genuinely bizarre, its a tucked arm shoulder hit to the head, yes he was dropping, maybe we should change the process to allow mitigation for that, but its not mitgatable today and in my view probably shouldn't be.

    It’s the inconsistency and amateurish way in which the disciplinary process is applied that causes the paranoia.
    For instance, the recent alleged ball grabbing where the judiciary relied on one players word over the other without any evidence of wrongdoing by the SA player. In the real world that case would have been thrown out. Instead we have people on the panel deciding intent for themselves.

    It reminds me of the Amanda Knox case. The Italian prosecutor decided that she was guilty based on his perception of American women. He knew better.

    That is fkn irritating.

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